A Whole Lot of Oil, Some Norinco Love and Obturation

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So I like to drown my rifles in oil.
Maybe it is because when I fire the first few rounds, the great big misty cloud of oil spray gives me a sense of accomplishment.
:p

So I take my DA556 twenty inch ribbed for pleasure rifle and my T97 red headed step child to the range.
All iron sighted.
All ammo was 62gr Tula FMJ steel cased.

DA556
On the DA556 I used those Canadian made beowolf mags with ten rounds each.
Needless to say I fire it with all the speed of some one re-enacting a scene from Pork Chop Hill.
I like to get into a timing rythm when I shoot. Maybe Motorhead is not the best soundtrack to time your fire along with?
After about eighty rounds, I get a stoppage due to a casing stuck in the chamber.
So unload and use a cleaning rod to tap it back.
Claw marks on the casing are no different than all the properly extracted and ejected casings???
So, I figure it is my oily habits and keep going.

It happens again three more times sporadically between working normally.
On the last time I realize that, "Wow, that cleaning rod has picked up enough heat to not want to touch it".
:slap:

So set it aside, let it cool, and come back later.
Later put another seventy rounds through it at a far calmer rate, everything works fine.

Results
Dry off excess oil
Take my blood pressure meds before I decide that my rate of fire should match an MG42
Near 1.5 moa despite speed and ugly furniture

I suspect it was mostly to due with obturation.
The casing expanded to fit to the oily chamber walls and stuck.
Extractor claw marks match the normally extracted and ejected rounds compared to the stuck ones.
Considering that it worked later when cooled off, and probably fried a touch more out too.
I understand that steel case is not supposed to expand like brass does, so oily habits are the chief suspect.

On to the red headed step child.

T97 (with irons as it came)

Ten round LAR mags of more Tula 62gr.
Same bad habits of oil and speed here.
This seemed to tolerate the abuse a touch better.
One case of one casing stuck somewhere near the eighty round mark.
Give it a minute to become cool enough to pick back up and calmly continue for another eighty rounds at a more reasonable rate.

Results
Fire it at a rate as if you had to carry the ammo on your back all day. Slow down.
:rolleyes:
A two inch ragged hole after a one hundred round group!
Accurate, simple, light, but the mag release well somebody needs to get put up against the wall when the revolution begins.:mad:

As far as accuarcy, a whole lot of people claim that these things are in the triple digit range of moa.
I seriously differ. Two down to 1.5 moa is possible as I have found, and I have some serious limitations as a shooter. (as my doctors and restraining orders will testify)

It was good to get out and make casings.
Today was more therapeutic than practice.
 
I shoot a target rifle with handloads made from steel cases. The bolt will not open until I wait about 5 seconds. I assume it take that long for the steel to cool and contract.

It may be that your stuck cases were due to heat and had nothing to do with oil. If it was oil, I would expect the problem to be with the first few shots, and you say it was not until later.
 
Makes sense.
I understand that steel is more resistant to deforming, yet as you say, it also absorbs heat far easier and retains it longer.
Possibly heat transfer by letting the cartridge sit in the chamber for too extended a duration after over heating the barrels.
Might explain why it occurred after so many rounds.

Just 50 yards. Still remarkable for one ragged hole.
Makes me wonder if I took my time and put some effort into my shooting,,, I could have been somebody,,,

A fun time was had regardless.
Been way too long since last range time.
 
I do the "therapeutic" part of my shooting at the beginning of my session. I literally load up 2 x double lar15 mags and blast them away as a "warm up"

Then it gets serious and I take my time after that. I do the same with pistols :p
 
I agree, i have two type 97's one is all dressed with type97.ca gear the other is factory. the factory one is a much better shooter. i dont think the add on's did much to improve or make the rifle worse. some of these rifles just shoot. ive posted pics and have been roasted here before by non believers. glad you have a shooter. i love these little rifles.
 
I would go easy on the oil in the chamber and barrel! Any excess oil should be swabbed out before shooting as excess oil can raise pressures and cause big problems. And steel cased ammo doesn't always play well in a AR, I save it for the Red rifle designs SKS, Mosin ect. Tula has had some issues if you browse CGN a bit which you might as you have been here a while.
 
Very nice. My T97 absolutely loves 62gr tulammo. And for the price it shoots it terrifically accurate. Did a video comparing ammo's. tulammo was ~1.75 Moa at 100 yards. But that's not factory irons, that's for sure.

I've never had a stuck case ever from either of mine... I also run them nearly dry. Not sure if that's why.

As a random note, steel actually has a higher specific heat capacity than brass... but that doesn't take into account any lacquered coating.
 
Angry, that is now two nice factory T97s that I have and both are similarly accurate!

Shawn, i think that might have been you and your ammo comparison that put me on to using tula 62gr for this rifle.
I have been trying to remember what thread it was, was it your Youtube video perhaps?
Anyway, thanks and happy to replicate Angrysoldiers experience.

Crash, yeah I should know about cleaning it out ahead and the pressures.
Thank God you never witnessed me working the old C5 gpmg's at gun camps.
I used to come home soaked to the bone in gun oil from nipples to socks, with my boots taking months to leech out the oil.
Occasionally the gpmg would burst into flame.
It tended to get interesting to see the reactions of the range officers as I told them not to bother me as I was working through it.
Since it was all steel there was nothing to burn and it would subside as the oil burned off.
:runaway:
While everyone else hated the old machine guns, I loved them and showered attention as well as gun oil and sure enough, mine always just kept running.
:bigHug:
 
Yeah I posted a YouTube video and in the T97 thread. I just got another case of Tula :)

Lol you have me curious, you should post a picture of how wet you're running your guns...
 
While everyone else hated the old machine guns, I loved them and showered attention as well as gun oil and sure enough, mine always just kept running.
:bigHug:

You probably didnt have to hump it in 50c weather thru rugged terrain
 
That's what the sponson bins were for.
:slap:
When you don't have to carry it or buy it, you can afford to enjoy it far more.
:dancingbanana:
 
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