Accurate Sporter

JEC

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I am looking to purchase a new rifle in "sporter weight" (6 1/2 - 7 1/2 lbs)
that is capable of 1/2" MOA. I have ordered a Cooper in .260 and need something to "play" with during the wait. I would try a Rem Mountain Rifle DM in .260 but am "nevous" at the prospect of such a small contour barrel being able to produce 1/2" groups @ 100M. So, I am thinking of a 7MM-08 in either a Tikka or Browning A Bolt. Anybody with experience with any of these or do you have other suggestions?
jim
 
Almost impossible to find any factory sporter that will "Average" ½ moa. Many will occasionally shoot a group or two in that area, but to average that small a group is highly unlikely. That includes your Cooper that you await. I have a couple of wonderfully accurate factory sporters, I have averaged the group size over the past 30 groups fired, rejecting none of the groups, even when I knew I was responsible for a shot slightly "out" The one has an average of .76 moa, and the other averages .69 Moa. As I said, these rifles fairly often register a group at ½" or even smaller, but to average that? Very difficult, indeed. Regards, Eagleye.
 
JEC said:
I am looking to purchase a new rifle in "sporter weight" (6 1/2 - 7 1/2 lbs)
that is capable of 1/2" MOA. I have ordered a Cooper in .260 and need something to "play" with during the wait. I would try a Rem Mountain Rifle DM in .260 but am "nevous" at the prospect of such a small contour barrel being able to produce 1/2" groups @ 100M. So, I am thinking of a 7MM-08 in either a Tikka or Browning A Bolt. Anybody with experience with any of these or do you have other suggestions?
jim

I assume you have a very flexible budget since you can TREAT yourself to a new toy to ease your suffering while you wait for your Cooper. As others have mentioned .5" avg groups are not easy to achieve and not having mentioned if you handload I would say you are not going to get the average you are looking for especially with factory ammo since you have absolutely no control of what's in the box. Factory rifles can occasionally give the odd group but consistently give .5" is highly unlikely.
Good Luck
bigbull
 
..............of course, if you could be satisfied with a factory sporter that would average putting every shot within 1/2 inch of your point of aim, there are quite a few that will do that. :D

Is that so bad?

Ted
 
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Thanks guys....I do handload ... and my expectations may be a bit high. I am in the process of selling a Sako Hunter 6.5 X 55 that averaged very close to 1/2" groups @ 100M with my "best loads". I also sold a Sako Hunter .308 that seldom shot groups more than .75" @ 100M. I have a Rem LTR 308 (not a sporter barrel but weighs only 7 1/2 lbs) that seldom shoots more than
1/2". I've had two Remington Heavy barrels that shot under 1/2". I am convinced that a sporter weight rifle with a muzzle diameter of .65 - .7" should be able to shoot close to 1/2" groups with a little "tuning". Cooper gaurantees 1/2" (3 shot) groups @ 100yds in a rifle that costs no more than the Sako.
jim
 
Now I don't sit there and shoot alot at 100yds/m but the Savage rifles I have played with were certainly 1/2 MOA capable.

I do most of my testing at 180yds and get three rds into 1" or less. Have had some groups go 1/2" at that range. Not bad at all.

That is with properly bedded rifles and good handloads. Yes, those black stocks can be made to work quite well.

I shoot at clay pigeons at ranges from 600 to 750yds. I hit them often enough (wind doping skills still in development) to know accuracy of rifle is certainly sub MOA at extended distances.

For the cost, hard to beat.

One of the biggest problems with shooting tiny groups with a sporter is actually the stock. Round foreends that slope front and rear allow the rifle to roll and torque too much for BR quality shooting. They also tend to jump some, especially when a light rifle is matched with a larger cartridge/bullet.

The errors caused by the stock alone is worth a few tenths in consistent group size.

Jerry
 
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mysticplayer said:
Now I don't sit there and shoot alot at 100yds/m but the Savage rifles I have played with were certainly 1/2 MOA capable...........

For the cost, hard to beat.

Jerry

Jerry, I certainly have to agree with you on that point for sure. I have posted most of this information in other threads, but for the sake of applauding what you have posted I will do it here, as well.

I have never been much of a Savage fan, but finally bought one of the Stevens 200s in October when they were on sale for $299. The price was just too ridiculous to refuse at least trying one. :rolleyes:

I got the 300 Win Mag, thinking that if it would shoot well in that caliber it would probably shoot anything. I did not need the rfile at all, especially in that caliber. When the rifle arrrived I took it out of the box, without touching the trigger, guard screws or anything else. Wanted to see what the rifle would do just as it came from the factory.

Put an Bushnell 3200 Elite 3-9X40 scope on it, loaded up some 180 gr Hornady SSTs with Norma 204 and magnum primers and headed to the range. Actually, River Rat, took it and did the shooting as I was still laid up with a broken leg. He came back with two targets, both right at an inch and commented that it needed the trigger adjusted down a bit as it was heavy, but broke clean.

We adjusted the trigger to a bit over three pounds and I took it to the range two weeks later. The rifle was getting right at 3000 fps and shot just at an inch again. Not bad for a rifle that didn't have 20 rounds down the tube yet, and absolutely no load development.

Two weeks later, just to keep from beating up my Sako on the snowmoblie, I took it caribou hunting and killed a nice meat bull at around 300 yds. Hmmm, this was getting interesting.

Decided I would get one at the other end of the caliber selection, again not because I needed it, but just because the price was so low. Ordered a 223 and it got here in December. Same thing, right out of the box, no tuning, just mounted an old Bushnell 3-9 Scopechief and first trip to the range the rilfe was shooting under an inch.

With handloads this rifle is easily capable of shooting half inch groups. I have tried bullets from 40 to 64 grains and they will all do that. Obviously the 1:9 twist will stabilize the heavy bullets just fine.

Garry, River Rat, was so impressed that he ordered three for his boys, a 223, a 7mm mag and a 300 Win. I posted earlier that all three of them shot under an inch when they took them to the range between Christmas and New Years Day, but was mistaken. The 300 has not been shot yet, however the 223 and 7mm mag both went under an inch with ease.

Obviously Savage is doing something very right. They do need to put a decent recoil pad on the 300 though...................;)

I have ordered another one in 223 and am going to have it rechambered to 223 Ackley. Will let you know how those 40 gr Ballistic Tips do at almost 4000 fps in a nine inch twist barrel. :eek:

Please excuse the long post.
Ted
 
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