ACR is apparently coming to Canada

Scocou said:
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I come to the black rifle forum to relax, it's a little hard with all these soap-boxes clutterin' the place up...

No offense intended :)
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Sorry sir, but YOU just publicly admitted to thinking there isn't a fight every day. If you don't believe the next socialist government won't take away semi-autos and handguns, you are just fooling yourself. YOU are the very reason I cannot own full-auto firearms; short-barrel handguns; and normal-capacity magazines. You did not stand up for me back when it was time, and now, many firearms are pipe-dreams for me.


You oughta be ashame'd of yourself...
 
well the rep said it was going to be non restricted but I read the stats and it's iffy and he also said it would come out in late 2010. He also mentioned a batch of Canadian made guns such as a AI (Accuracy international) look alike and a couple others along with their Canadian catalog. As for whats included I think it comes with a pair of pic rail attached standard sights, and a (1) mag. I think it was either in tan or black, don't really know if that would very the price much but.....
 
rommelrommel said:
If it's N/R and at least as good as a mid level AR, it will sell.
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It's a new "military" rifle... I wouldn't bet on it being deemed non restricted.
Hell... I bet any "new" semi auto designs that come out will ever get into this country as non restricted.
 
667 said:
It's a new "military" rifle... I wouldn't bet on it being deemed non restricted.
Hell... I bet any "new" semi auto designs that come out will ever get into this country as non restricted.
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It doesn't matter if it's a 'military' rifle. If it's not deemed a 'variant' of an existing restricted/prohibited rifle, the only thing that determines it's classification is the action (semi) and barrel length (18.5"+) combination.

That being said, you are correct in that they could simply not allow importation.
 
crazy insane said:
well the rep said it was going to be non restricted but I read the stats and it's iffy and he also said it would come out in late 2010. He also mentioned a batch of Canadian made guns such as a AI (Accuracy international) look alike and a couple others along with their Canadian catalog. As for whats included I think it comes with a pair of pic rail attached standard sights, and a (1) mag. I think it was either in tan or black, don't really know if that would very the price much but.....
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This information sounds suspect. Who was it that you spoke to?
 
667 said:
It's a new "military" rifle... I wouldn't bet on it being deemed non restricted.
Hell... I bet any "new" semi auto designs that come out will ever get into this country as non restricted.
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"Deeming" only happens when the regulations did not specifically determine the conditions for the application of a specific set of rules - so it "deems" the subject to be a surrogate of another subject to suck it down the same set of rules.

You statement is purely emotional and is not supported by any firearms laws and regulations.
 
RayMan said:
No, it shouldn't be.

I've completely stopped looking at the politics-laden parts of the board because they annoy me with the sheer amount of misinformation, ignorance, slandering, paranoia, and narrow-mindedness I would hope did not come from the minds of Canadians. The Firearms and Optics part of the board is interesting, can be entertaining, and a very good resource, and it would be a shame if it ended poisoned by the stink of political partisanship.

If people want to do gun politics, they'll go to that part of the forum.
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amen to that, I'm always here but never in that part of the forum...

I think if it comes in restricted due to barrel lenght (likely be the case) I would love to get one in 6.8 have it rebarreled at 18.5+ and go deerhunthing...
 
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If they make one with a long enough barrel I might buy one. My thinking on military-style semi-autos goes like this:

1) Is it non-restricted? (I.e. can I use it where I want to.)
2) Does it use AR-15 mags? (I.e. can I have ten rounds in the mag.)
3) Have ATF Tech Branch heard of it? (I.e. can I get a Form 6NIA to take it into the US.)

Not many rifles have "yes" to all of those questions. Armalite AR-180B, FN FS2000, Robinson Arms XCR, FN SCAR (if the barrel is long enough).

I think it's going to take something which is "yes" to all those questions for me to think about buying it instead of using an AR-15 or a PE90.
 
Assuming that Bushmaster is even open and considering making a special 18.5+" Canadian version, when will they actually get around to doing it? They're trying to bail themselves out from a PR nightmare right now with shooting enthusiasts. Surely they'll concentrate on fulfilling the demand for 1/7 and ~10" barrels before they even bother devoting resources for the Canadian market.
 
greentips said:
"Deeming" only happens when the regulations did not specifically determine the conditions for the application of a specific set of rules - so it "deems" the subject to be a surrogate of another subject to suck it down the same set of rules.

You statement is purely emotional and is not supported by any firearms laws and regulations.
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Well I'm a new age kinda guy.. In touch with my emotions.:)

The way I see it when in doubt, regardless of out firearms laws and regulations whoever's in the position to make a determination will err on the side of caution and say.. "restricted".

Even if they're wrong it'll be up to others to initiate a protest and well... We know how that usually ends up.

As far as the RCMP/CFC is concerned letting any new gun into Canada is bad. If they can they'll do whatever it takes to stop imports. Even if it means making "mistakes" ;)
 
Unless they have a precision/Varmint version in the work - which is actually logical.

Since the thing is as fat and heavy as Wendy Cukier, it may be the way to go.
 
The XCR will be the closest thing I think anybody will get to a REPR in Canada... seriously check out the reaper, it is awesome. But still any NR tactical rifle is a plus
 
RayMan said:
All the variants have barrel lengths less than 18.5"... so... you take a guess.
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Since Herron Arms makes non-restricted length (18.7in) barrels for the FS2000, so maybe they are able to make appropriate barrels for the ACR as well(the modularity of the ACR is a big plus so we can switch the barrel ourselves).
 
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