Advice on the "Marlin Jam", solutions and suggestions.

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So a new to me, very good to NIB shape, Marlin 1895G, factory ported, JM marked. Apparently these ported versions were made 1988-92 (ish), judging by the lack of wear on the loading gate, age of the rifle, and that i am at least the third owner; i am going to assume that the "marlin jam" issue i encountered is frequent with this example, and the reason a 24 yr or older Guide Gun looks new.

The issue is the double feed. I shot, and the rifle ejected the spent case, the next was partly out on the carrier, jammed in the magazine tube/carrier and the action was jammed open. Could not force the offending shell back into the magazine as the carrier was forcing it up and the rim would not go in the tube. A long flat screwdriver got it out. Ammo was the factory Hornady Leverrevolution, but this apparently happens to others with all ammo. After the jam ws cleared i cycled the rifle fine with both the hornady and fed blue box. Did not fire it again.

So i have read some marlin forum stuff, and watched some videos. The fix seems three ways.....firstly one replaces the carrier, were the cam on the lever makes a groove; secondly, you hone the sharp edge on the lever edge that makes the groove; thirdly, you grind a flat surface on the carrier where the groove has formed....make a replacement sliver of harder metal(jigsaw blade) and JB Weld it in place.

So sorry for the long post...But, what have people done? Do you have a link to a better video showing particularly fix #2? Does anyone know a gunsmith or shop, that specializes or is good at doing the work?

C'mon guys help a brother out? It seems the replace the carrier is a temp fix, until the groove reforms. What i would really like is for someone to PM me, perhaps a photo of the area that needs honing for #2, take a photo with the offending area taped....???? I just moved, have most of my tools in storage, so i dont want to try #3. Unfortunately the gun is also a blued version, so i dont want to expose a lot of metal to a marine environment......a lot of the clean up of tool marks on the marlins is not going to happen.

Anyways........
 
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I am aware of the stickys, but they are not really very explicit, and the last thing i want to do is start honing on a JM Guide Gun.

Well apparently the "Marlin Jam" does not happen on 45-70's, its a pistol caliber thing. Just got off the phone with a guy from Rusty Woods. Seemed really impatient, rivaling Korth Group for that. Not sure what to do.
 
Strip the rifle. Run a piece of cotton ball over all internal surfaces including the carrier and the loading gate. You will likely find some burrs and the main culprit will be a burr on the inner loading gate surface. Polish all surfaces then re assemble. This will solve 99% of Marlin 336 issues. The burr on the inner loading gate just "halts" the round entering onto the carrier enough to allow the timing to be interrupted allowing the "two in issue". Steel burrs grab brass like a hungry dog grabs a bone. 30 years of fixing Marlins with your issue has backed this up. I recently "fixed" a Rossi Rio Grande in .45-70 that exhibited your noted issue. That gun's inner working parts looked like a monkey did the final fit and polish. Your post indicates you do not want to polish any parts so your problem could be a hard fix.

Darryl
 
Nothing to do with the problem but I noticed when reading that nowarningshot has a picture of charles bronson and two of the people that answered are mad trappers and we all know chrles bronson played him in the movie.
 
Well i went through the Lower mainland on my way hunting. Took a few rifles to gunsmith(s). Two to my usual smith, on the understanding that i would need them in a week....and when i got back, his daughter answered saying he was hunting until Fri or Sat. Not impressed.

I took the Marlin Guide to Peter aka Rusty Woods. Asked him about the stickys and what a "cowboy action job" meant. He explained that the stickys applied for the Model 1894's in pistol calibers.>>>>>what he did with 1895's was to strip them down and rebuild them the way they should have been built, but didnt because of mass production. Just to remind everyone, my GG is a JM with ported barrel circa 1999-2004. Simply because he was so .....curt....i almost just walked out. Left the rifle with him for the "Cowboy action job"....and in passing asked ballpark how long?>>>2months.

Two days after i phoned and could not get my other rifles, girl from Rusty Woods phones and says my rifle is ready....so about 10 days. Peter said he tells people 2 months because then they are happy when its earlier and dont bug him. Asked him what he did.....I strip it down and rebuild it the way it should have been built in the first place......we all have our taped messages i suppose.

The Verdict.....rather pricey...check out the pricing guide on Rusty Woods site. My job included a $15 spring set.....so it was $268. His shop is about a 30x40 converted garage on the side of a house.....way up in the hills above Mission BC. About a hour drive from where i was staying in Langley.

What he appears to have done: (like i said...not really forthcoming)

disassembly and honed internals-----very little visible blueing loss on mechanicals. Bolt also seems honed. Lifter is shiny bare metal, but other metal is still blued...well oiled...perhaps honed

Rifle cycled very well. The lifter moves much more freely, and if i would guess; think the internal timing has been tweeked and tuned.

Two springs replaced from kit. Feed gate is much lighter, you needed strong fingers to load cartridges. Trigger pull is now reduced from shotgun like....off the scale on a trigger gauge....to 2lbs.

Ammo cycles extremely well, but i have not shot it yet. So now i have a $600 rifle off the EE that i am into for about $900. Hopefully not a single shot lever gun now.
 
Its hard to say. Rifle seems better, but i have not shot it to know whether its still a single shot lever gun or now a repeater. Shoot it in a few weeks, then i will know for sure.

Dont think Peter has much patience for people, but if the rifle functions well in the end that will be the true measure. He is a gunsmith not a doctor so loses nothing for poor bedside manner.....if it works right.

I looked for a long time for this particular GG, the JM with factory porting, got it for a good price. Suspect it had very little use because of the bank vault loading gate, poor trigger, and feed problems. If i end up with a properly functioning JM then i will be very happy and sell my 45-70/30-06 Handi rifle combo.
 
Had a chance to shoot the Marlin GG. Ultra smooth, feeds very well, everything synced very well. So my verdict on the "cowboy job" by Rusty Woods is a resounding yes.

My only problem was that i shot it at 50 yards, from a rest, and it shot 5" right. Still minute of pumpkin, need to adjust the sights. I have a old 2.5X scope that came off a 375 H&H that will probably go on instead of messing with the sights.
 
Wow............ What duzz yer dentist charge you?
Izz a tuff steak hizz fawlt?
Peter tweeked your rifle, not sighted it in.............two separate functions or work orders.

Sum folk awn'ear drive me bawkers.
 
No u misundrstadn. Riffel baag and clangs gods. Givem thumbbs upp to Petre.

Sights apear two bee a line with ah strait egee to thee boar. Sihts are no adjucterble cept two drift with ah punch, also had unn cowerd drill hooles. Mountee rail, surpluss scope. In fur bout 9 brown ones, not putting aftermarkee sights on.....
 
No u misundrstadn. Riffel baag and clangs gods. Givem thumbbs upp to Petre.

Sights apear two bee a line with ah strait egee to thee boar. Sihts are no adjucterble cept two drift with ah punch, also had unn cowerd drill hooles. Mountee rail, surpluss scope. In fur bout 9 brown ones, not putting aftermarkee sights on.....

One million internets
 
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