After Action Report: My issued Browning in Afghanistan

hoddie

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I was asked awhile ago to write an AAR about my issued BHP. So, for Sonofpaleface and those who might want to know, I'll throw down some of my opinions and thoughts.
I took my issued pistol from Canada as it was signed out from my CQ stores. The pistol, 2 mags and Bianchi drop leg holster. Before I left I went on a shopping spree for kit, to include; Safariland 6004, Pachmayer grips and a lanyard. I already possessed the belt and mag pouches.
The pistol itself was very reliable, when it was clean and dust free that is. The dust was everywhere and weapon cleaning had to be a daily process. At the very least wiping or blowing the dust out of the weapon. Compressed air is your friend.;)
As for the operation of the BHP, there are some improvements that should be considered. Larger safety and better sights would be a huge benefit. The magazines were the worst part of the system. As must know, you can have a firearm worth thousands of dollars, but if the mags are junk, how effective can that firearm be? I had to purchase my own aftermarket magazines. (Thanks Wags;) ) Yes they were only 10 rounds, but 10 rounds that fire are better than 1 then a jam. I did this because I relied on my sidearm for my safety, not so I could carry it around the office. (Slag intended. If we had the pistols that were in KAF, all of us could have carried them outside the wire.) Anyway, the magazines are the major fault of this weapon. It is a proven design and does what it is intended to do. It is a combat firearm. It is not your tricked out racegun with the ability to drop plates at 100m.
I personally used mine for searching, convoy escorts, intimidation when required and personal protection when the rifle was not practical. I did buy the 6004 and it is an excellent piece of kit. I have used them before for my Glocks and Sigs. The Bianchi drop leg is garbage and not designed well IMHO. There has been some unit purchased Blackhawk dropleg holsters that showed up which are slightly better than the Bianchi. I found that in the vehicle, turret specifically, it got caught on everything. In the back it was okay, but hard to draw when needed. In the end I carried it in my chest rig in the right hand mag pouch under the velcro flap. Not as fast to draw, but alot easier to carry and when seated, you could draw it. I carried 5 mags for the gun. One on it, 2 in my chest rig and 2 on my gun belt. This should be the standard load out.
As for the grips, I put on the rubber Pachmayer ones in order to give me better purchase of the pistol. I also added grip tape to the front and back strap of the grip. I find the grip tape is needed when the gun is wet, from whatever. I wore flight gloves all the time and I needed the grip tape in order to hold the gun effectively. The black plastic issue grips are too smooth. Some guys used the rubber finger groove type with great success. I prefer to put my fingers where I want, not in the grooves of a grip.
In the end, I found the BHP to be a very reliable weapon. The major concern to all should be the magazines. They are the heart of the system and without a quality piece, the gun will jam. Keep it clean and it will work when you need it to. All those guys that went before us didn't have any problems with it.;)
If I was to take something different with me next time, what would it be? I guess I would have to say a Glock of some sort in 9mm. This gun is easy to use and maintain. That being said, if the BHP was upgraded instead of mothballed, we would still have a very effective hi capacity 9mm.
Again this is just my opinion on the whole matter. I have used this firearm in defensive and offensive action. I don't think this makes me an expert, just someone who is in the know.
Hoddie.
 
Interesting review from someone who is in the know.

Why didn't you get 10/13 rd mags and remove the pin when you were there? Just curious.

I have not been to Iraq / the Stan, but one of my friends did some private contracting work in Iraq and said that a lot of guys in the private sector were carrying Glocks, mainly 17's and 19's, and occasionally a 34.

Thanks for the interesting read.
 
Nice Read !

I have a BHP, ans she's my favorite piece. I have 5 mags Total for her and none of them have given me any trouble as of yet. Is there anything is specific i should be looking at on my mags that might be signs of trouble? Acutally, I would appreciate any and all tips that would make the life of my BHP better. I obviously only use her at the range so i'm not someone who needs it for day to day purposes. That being said, If ever things went south, I would want it to work first class.

thanks again for the read. :)
 
Hoddie:

Thanks for your wonderfully written insight. I appreciate your experience and your attitude which happens to be very objective in this written piece. I liked especially your slant on what the pistol was used for instead of dropping steel plates in 0.341 sec at 10m yada yada yada.

Cheers and thanks for the wisdom.

Barney
 
hoddie said:
I already possessed the belt and mag pouches ...

In the end I carried it in my chest rig in the right hand mag pouch under the velcro flap. Not as fast to draw, but alot easier to carry and when seated, you could draw it. I carried 5 mags for the gun. One on it, 2 in my chest rig and 2 on my gun belt.

Which company's belt and pouches - Bianchi? And, if you had mags in your chest rig, where they loose in pockets or in pouches attached to the vest?

Off topic, but relevant for space and handling, which turret Leo/RG/LAV/BISON/G-Wagon?
 
In response:
HKfan - The 10 round aftermarket mags were easier to get and worked better because they were new.
RDevigne - The issue mags were worn out internally. The followers are made of metal and tended to stick to the inside of the mag body. It was even worse with the dust in there.
Maple Leaf Eh - I used an Uncle Mike's duty belt and Blackhawk quad pouch with kydex retention. They worked well. After I went to a double flap pouch on the belt. It was a locally made one. On my chest rig the mags were in a HSGI dual mag pouch on the left side above my grenades. I didn't like the buckle and velcro retention. I usually undid the buckles when we were going into an operation. I rode in a G wagon first, pasenger side, and then in the turret and back of a Lav.
Darko - I only fired the gun a few times, however it was drawn more than that.
Hope that answers some of the quetions.
Hoddie.
 
Garand said:
HKfan, when its is ISSUED to you by the military and you modify it mechanically, disciplinary action can be taken against you. It's that simple.

would taking the pin out of your own mags would not be consitered modifying the weapon though?
 
In my mind the magazine situation is a sad comment on the deterioration of the Canadian Forces. In my youth, 1950s, The Canadian Army was a premier fighting force and well equipped. Regards, Richard:redface:
 
What brand mags did you purchase? Mecgars perhaps?
Was the HP you had well worn in, or recently issued from war stocks?
 
The mags were Mecgar stainless steel ones.
The pistol was the one I was issued from Canada, well worn in. There were alot of warstock ones over there. Some with the sticker still in good condition on the grip.
Hoddie.
 
hoddie said:
As for the operation of the BHP, there are some improvements that should be considered. Larger safety and better sights would be a huge benefit.
All of these have been addressed on commecrial models a long time ago.
 
Thanks for your post Hoddie!

I appreciate all our Armed Forces do on behalf of Canada and have a huge amount of respect for the professionalism of our Forces. I have been disgusted for many, many years at the detoriation of the equipment our people need to do their job. I'm sorry you had to spend your hard earned money to properly equip yourself but I totally understand your predictiment.
I hope the support the current gov't has shown the Armed Forces continues and you will not have to be out of pocket on the necessities in the future!

Thanks for making a difference!!
 
richardoldfield said:
In my mind the magazine situation is a sad comment on the deterioration of the Canadian Forces. In my youth, 1950s, The Canadian Army was a premier fighting force and well equipped. Regards, Richard:redface:


It still is ,unfortunately with all the big ticket purchases the small stuff has been left to catch up. The original Inglis mags are worn out,no doubt about it.With the BHP due to be replaced as soon as existing stocks are used up no funds are being made available for new mags or parts.
I too used aftermarket mags over there but none of the issued mags in my platoon had any problems either.
 
Reaper said:
It still is ,unfortunately with all the big ticket purchases the small stuff has been left to catch up. The original Inglis mags are worn out,no doubt about it.With the BHP due to be replaced as soon as existing stocks are used up no funds are being made available for new mags or parts.
I too used aftermarket mags over there but none of the issued mags in my platoon had any problems either.


What sidearm is the CF thinking about getting. I was talking to MP down in Victoria a while ago and he said the navy just got new SIG's. Could it be possible that the CF is going to SIG?

Not dissing SIG owners, just wondering.
 
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