Airgun silencers
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How did you reach that conclusion? The criminal code prohibits devices that are designed or used to silence firearms. Certain air guns are not considered firearms under the criminal code. If the device can only be used on a non-firearm, how could it be prohibited?
You are incorrect, most airguns are indeed firearms under the Criminal Code section 2 definition of "Firearm" (it's there in black & white). In section 84 of the CC it notes the ones that discharge a projectile at less than 152.4mps/5.7 Joules are exempt from certain sections of the act, mainly registration and licencing. Nowhere does it exempt them from the actual Criminal Code definition of "Firearm". BTW, the CC also notes that all firearms are indeed weapons! Even the ones that are "deemed non-firearm" are only deemed as such for certain portions of the act.
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If I'm not mistaken, all airguns are still considered firearms. Those with 500 FPS at the muzzle are exempt from a number of the restrictions and parts of the law but they are still by definition, firearms.
Doesn't have to make sense. It's Liberal legislation.
Doesn't have to make sense. It's Liberal legislation.
S.2 definition of a firearm has some criteria:
“firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm;
Considering the vulnerability of your eyes to damage, I think you are right, and even a low powered air gun would be considered a firearm. Thanks for the assistance.
“firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm;
Considering the vulnerability of your eyes to damage, I think you are right, and even a low powered air gun would be considered a firearm. Thanks for the assistance.
A low velocity airgun is defined as a firearm, and is exempt only from certain sections of the Criminal Code. Basically for issues of needing a licence and registration. Many sections of the Criminal Code continue to apply to airguns, such as those used in the commission of a crime.
Silencers are prohibited devices when attached to any type of firearm.
See:
s.2 Firearm definition
s.84 Prohibited Device (silencer)
s.84.3(d) Deemed not a firearm (air guns)
Silencers are prohibited devices when attached to any type of firearm.
See:
s.2 Firearm definition
s.84 Prohibited Device (silencer)
s.84.3(d) Deemed not a firearm (air guns)
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So would the faux silencer on my Mark 23 be illegal then ?
If yes are you really .......really positively sure ?
If thats the case is the Swiss made B&T TP-9 sub gun legal ?
Shotguns are deemed illegal according to the Geneva convention but it seems they are in extensive use in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Careful now because errant statements like yours are the very reason why responsible legal firearms owners are arbitrarily branded as criminals.
And thankfully most gun clubs would never allow ignorance of your kind in.
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So would the faux silencer on my Mark 23 be illegal then ?
If yes are you really .......really positively sure ?
If thats the case is the Swiss made B&T TP-9 sub gun legal ?
Shotguns are deemed illegal according to the Geneva convention but it seems they are in extensive use in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Careful now because errant statements like yours are the very reason why responsible legal firearms owners are arbitrarily branded as criminals.
And thankfully most gun clubs would never allow ignorance of your kind in.
But they aren't silencers are they? Silly! So whose ignorant? Their are lots of airguns with 'faux' silencers but they don't silence anything, just looks. Once they "silence" the boom they are not legal.
I can put a toilet paper tube on my rifle and paint it black but it isn't a silencer.
I've never seen a proper silencer at any gun club, you? For the exception of your 'faux' one.
If I finds some extra brains laying around I'll be sure to send them your way!
sendmorebrains
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Rupert sez: I've never seen a proper silencer at any gun club, you? For the exception of your 'faux' one.
Ohh now there are exceptions?
How do you know that they dont silence anything ? Have you measured the difference with a db meter while using hand loaded sub sonic ammo .?
Perhaps you should keep the extra brains and ignorance for yourself then.
Ohh now there are exceptions?
How do you know that they dont silence anything ? Have you measured the difference with a db meter while using hand loaded sub sonic ammo .?
Perhaps you should keep the extra brains and ignorance for yourself then.
Every post has proved you to be wrong and you don't seem to understand what a silencer is. Find out what a silencer is, how it is made, what it does and the laws regarding them then get back to us.
By the way there are no exceptions, what you own isn't a silencer. It is a tin can screwed on the end of a pistol to make it ''''look''''' cool and doesn't baffle the sound in anyway that a true silencer would, that's why it is called 'faux'.
Wrong on both accounts.
Some airsoft silencers have metal baffles in them much like the real thing.
I have sound tested an empty silencer tube and that works shockingly well for what it is. So a foam filled tube would work even better and would produce an impressive sound reduction for a few shots if mounted to a 22 rimfire.
There is really nothing "fake" about an airsoft silencer. They work just as a real one would but are simply manufactured with materials more appropriate to the ammunition.
Not to call you an idiot on this but you're wrong.
Follow me on this and it should make sense if it doesn't...well. That's nothing I have control over.
An airsoft gun generates its compression from a a motor in the grip and gearbox housed in the lower receiver.
The round being expelled from the barrel makes very little if any sound. This is due in part to the fact that you simply have compressed air behind it and the round doesn't sit air tight in the hopup or the barrel.
The sound you do hear from an airsoft gun is from the motor, piston, gears and spring of the gearbox cycling.
The silencer does absolutely nothing to reduce the sound an airsoft gun makes. This is due to the fact that all the noise is generated in the gearbox housed in the lower receiver.
I'll bust out the taboo statment on here. I play airsoft. I've owned many airsoft guns and quite a few silencers for them. None, I repeat none of them come into the country with any kind of a baffle system in place. They show up with foam inserts.
99.9% of the people who use these silencers on their guns are doing so because they're running a longer inner barrel. The 0.01% that doesn't use them for the mock look they provide, uses them because they think it makes their motor/gearbox driven gun quieter.
Since that 99.9% of the logic driven population doesn't want a longer inner barrel sticking out of the end of their rifle they attach a silencer to cover it. The foam inserts help balance the inner barrel. It does nothing to reduce the sound.
Now, we could get into the gas guns as well but once again, the same principal applies. The noise is generated in the upper/lower receiver area and not from the projectile being expelled from the end of the barrel.
I honestly don't know where you got any of your information but on the subject of airsoft silencers making airsoft guns quieter you are quite wrong.
Follow me on this and it should make sense if it doesn't...well. That's nothing I have control over.
An airsoft gun generates its compression from a a motor in the grip and gearbox housed in the lower receiver.
The round being expelled from the barrel makes very little if any sound. This is due in part to the fact that you simply have compressed air behind it and the round doesn't sit air tight in the hopup or the barrel.
The sound you do hear from an airsoft gun is from the motor, piston, gears and spring of the gearbox cycling.
The silencer does absolutely nothing to reduce the sound an airsoft gun makes. This is due to the fact that all the noise is generated in the gearbox housed in the lower receiver.
I'll bust out the taboo statment on here. I play airsoft. I've owned many airsoft guns and quite a few silencers for them. None, I repeat none of them come into the country with any kind of a baffle system in place. They show up with foam inserts.
99.9% of the people who use these silencers on their guns are doing so because they're running a longer inner barrel. The 0.01% that doesn't use them for the mock look they provide, uses them because they think it makes their motor/gearbox driven gun quieter.
Since that 99.9% of the logic driven population doesn't want a longer inner barrel sticking out of the end of their rifle they attach a silencer to cover it. The foam inserts help balance the inner barrel. It does nothing to reduce the sound.
Now, we could get into the gas guns as well but once again, the same principal applies. The noise is generated in the upper/lower receiver area and not from the projectile being expelled from the end of the barrel.
I honestly don't know where you got any of your information but on the subject of airsoft silencers making airsoft guns quieter you are quite wrong.
So would the faux silencer on my Mark 23 be illegal then ?
Hey, where did you get the fake silencer for your Mark 23? Was your barrel already threaded?
