Akdas Alcor Semi-Auto Rifle

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Looking for reviews/opinions of people who own this rifle in .223. I seen reviews from strangers on the line and/or dealers who are endorsing it, but I feel I might get some real life feedback up here from people who own and shoot this rifle. I am aware of the 556 issues that have been reported, but that isn't an issue for me. I have heard there might be failure to eject issues with some ammo ... has anyone used Norinco .223 brass cartridges? I am also fearful that one day it might end up on the prohib list. What are the opinions on this ... I feel like nothing is certain these days, and the risk is on the buyer.

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Buddy had one out at the range and the roll pin that retains the firing pin wore through at about 800 rounds. Jammed the gun up with the firing pin and spring popping out into the action during shooting.... was there when it happened and it wasn't great. If you do end up getting one, I'd inspect the firing pin retaining roll pin every few hundred rounds just in case. In the pictures, you can see how the roll pin has a worn spot and how there is nothing stopping the firing pin in the channel - the picture of the firing pin channel is with the worn roll pin still in place.

Other then that it has been pretty reliable with various ammo and shoots straight every time I've seen it / shot it at the range... that being said I wouldn't buy one....

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^ Yikes! Thanks for that 1812. Not that it would be tough to check now and then, but the fact you would have to, causes concern. A couple issues now, that I have read about, seemed to me at first to be isolated issues (some also regarding the firing pin), are making me think there might be some QC issues with this gun. Makes me feel I would want to carefully check over everything after each use ...

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I think I’d rather spend the extra bucks and get the IWI Carmel or the Mk15 Makashi
Or even the Backland for that matter, the new ones seem to be pretty decent and they are not that much more then the Turkish gun
I have the Turkish made 308 and it’s ok but I’m not a fan of the alum muzzle brake on it or the picatiny rail being bolted down instead of it being machined into the upper. I had both come loose but cleaning the bolts/threads with isopropyl and using blue loctite fixed that issue
The takedown for cleaning is kind of a pain too
It does function perfectly so I will give it that
 
Deathrawt said:
I think I’d rather spend the extra bucks and get the IWI Carmel or the Mk15 Makashi
Or even the Backland for that matter, the new ones seem to be pretty decent and they are not that much more then the Turkish gun
I have the Turkish made 308 and it’s ok but I’m not a fan of the alum muzzle brake on it or the picatiny rail being bolted down instead of it being machined into the upper. I had both come loose but cleaning the bolts/threads with isopropyl and using blue loctite fixed that issue
The takedown for cleaning is kind of a pain too
It does function perfectly so I will give it that
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Backlands are trash
 
6GunJustice said:
Looking for reviews/opinions of people who own this rifle in .223. I seen reviews from strangers on the line and/or dealers who are endorsing it, but I feel I might get some real life feedback up here from people who own and shoot this rifle. I am aware of the 556 issues that have been reported, but that isn't an issue for me. I have heard there might be failure to eject issues with some ammo ... has anyone used Norinco .223 brass cartridges? I am also fearful that one day it might end up on the prohib list. What are the opinions on this ... I feel like nothing is certain these days, and the risk is on the buyer.

Thanks,
6Gun
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definitely save the cash for the MK-15 or
The Carmel. If you do want an Alcor I recommend you grab the Kodiak Defence Alcor, They have it on www.kodiakdefence.com - I picked one up and it’s been a stud. All kinds of upgrades on it
AR Trigger, Mags etc.
 
Deathrawt said:
You have any expirence with the backland?
While I agree that they are not the best thing out there I do like the one I have and I still think they are better then the Turkish guns currently offered
This is jmo of course
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Honestly I’d rather have the Kodiak defence Alcor than the Backland. I had the newer backland with the pistol grip and it still had issues. Sold it immediately after and grabbed the Kodiak defence Alcor. Much better quality and reliability.
 
Deathrawt said:
I think I’d rather spend the extra bucks and get the IWI Carmel or the Mk15 Makashi
Or even the Backland for that matter, the new ones seem to be pretty decent and they are not that much more then the Turkish gun
I have the Turkish made 308 and it’s ok but I’m not a fan of the alum muzzle brake on it or the picatiny rail being bolted down instead of it being machined into the upper. I had both come loose but cleaning the bolts/threads with isopropyl and using blue loctite fixed that issue
The takedown for cleaning is kind of a pain too
It does function perfectly so I will give it that
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Both the IWI Carmel or the Mk15 Makashi require a $500 non-refundable pre purchase where I live. I have checked them both out on line ... leaning towards the MK15 ... but have decided I am not committing to a ~$2500 purchase for something I cannot see/hold first. Thinking I can wait and/or maybe a reliable bolt action might be the way to go.

6Gun
 
I got on the Bullseye preorder and they have a full refund option if the guns get prohib
I think Tenda does the same
Ya it can be a gamble to deal with a place that won’t give a full refund if things go south, guess I got lucky ordering from Bullseye
Once the guns arrive in country there will prob be extra stock at some retailers so hopefully you can try/hold one to see if it’s to your liking or not
Most of my stuff I’ve bought sight unseen and have been satisfied for the most part
 
Deathrawt said:
I got on the Bullseye preorder and they have a full refund option if the guns get prohib
I think Tenda does the same
Ya it can be a gamble to deal with a place that won’t give a full refund if things go south, guess I got lucky ordering from Bullseye
Once the guns arrive in country there will prob be extra stock at some retailers so hopefully you can try/hold one to see if it’s to your liking or not
Most of my stuff I’ve bought sight unseen and have been satisfied for the most part
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Should have said that they don't offer a refund, but they will give you an instore credit for the pre purchase amount if YOU cancel for whatever reason. If they go prohib before even getting the gun, then I would expect a full refund, or I would sure fight for it anyways!

6Gun
 
I have the Akdas and have put about 630 rounds through it of PMC Bronze, Winchester white box, and Federal AE (all FMJ, all 55 gr). Used 5/30 PMAGS, LAR15 mags, MFT mags.

For a Turkish gun, I initially had my doubts and was somewhat leery about buying it. But I am so .223 SA starved since all my other sporters went into the government penalty box.

My opinion only and maybe I got a good one, but I have not had a single problem with my Alcor. Feeding and ejecting without a single hiccup. Fit and finish is better than I thought - haven't seen any cosmetic issues. Not sure if it is a HD capable candidate, but I would at this point trust it over my old, now banned WK, or T97. It has a long way before getting to X95 status, but for what I paid, I am pleasantly surprised. I have the MK15 on order and will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the Alcor, since it's pretty slim pickings these days.

I shot the Akdas on every range trip before I recently got married. I am very cautious not to mar the wood, as I seem to have a propensity for that.

I have not run any 5.56 rounds through it, just .223.

Only thing I would consider changing is swapping out handguard for an aluminum one with MLOK. As it stands now, I have my light set way back on an offset mount on the main rail where my optic is (looks goofy but somewhat functional).

It is nice that it came with a cool soft case, which allows me to store it in there when not in use (I am again out of safe/cabinet space).

Overall, very happy with the Akdas Alcor but I have heard that with some Turkish guns, your mileage may vary. But mine has been great.
 
thegazelle said:
I have the Akdas and have put about 630 rounds through it of PMC Bronze, Winchester white box, and Federal AE (all FMJ, all 55 gr). Used 5/30 PMAGS, LAR15 mags, MFT mags.

For a Turkish gun, I initially had my doubts and was somewhat leery about buying it. But I am so .223 SA starved since all my other sporters went into the government penalty box.

My opinion only and maybe I got a good one, but I have not had a single problem with my Alcor. Feeding and ejecting without a single hiccup. Fit and finish is better than I thought - haven't seen any cosmetic issues. Not sure if it is a HD capable candidate, but I would at this point trust it over my old, now banned WK, or T97. It has a long way before getting to X95 status, but for what I paid, I am pleasantly surprised. I have the MK15 on order and will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the Alcor, since it's pretty slim pickings these days.

I shot the Akdas on every range trip before I recently got married. I am very cautious not to mar the wood, as I seem to have a propensity for that.

I have not run any 5.56 rounds through it, just .223.

Only thing I would consider changing is swapping out handguard for an aluminum one with MLOK. As it stands now, I have my light set way back on an offset mount on the main rail where my optic is (looks goofy but somewhat functional).

It is nice that it came with a cool soft case, which allows me to store it in there when not in use (I am again out of safe/cabinet space).

Overall, very happy with the Akdas Alcor but I have heard that with some Turkish guns, your mileage may vary. But mine has been great.
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can the Alcor even take 556? I thought i've read somewhere that, if the rifle is rated for 223, then one should stick to 223..due to the additional pressure of 556, that it could damage the rifle.. I could be wrong.

for aluminum handguard, I've only seen the Crusader Arms kit. the tommy kit and the Fox operator kits are all 3d printed.
 
rooj0103 said:
can the Alcor even take 556? I thought i've read somewhere that, if the rifle is rated for 223, then one should stick to 223..due to the additional pressure of 556, that it could damage the rifle.. I could be wrong.

for aluminum handguard, I've only seen the Crusader Arms kit. the tommy kit and the Fox operator kits are all 3d printed.
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Yeah, I'm not sure but I have so much .223 ammo, it's not a big deal. Have lots of 5.56 too but those can sit in the cabinet until my MK15 comes in (hopefully)

I have seen the Crusader Arms kit. The Tommy stuff just strikes me as cheap (I had had a Tommy add on before and quality wasn't good - dodged a bullet with not buying one for my Homesteader), so I tend to avoid it where possible.
 
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Yeah, I'm not sure but I have so much .223 ammo, it's not a big deal. Have lots of 5.56 too but those can sit in the cabinet until my MK15 comes in (hopefully)

I have seen the Crusader Arms kit. The Tommy stuff just strikes me as cheap (I had had a Tommy add on before and quality wasn't good - dodged a bullet with not buying one for my Homesteader), so I tend to avoid it where possible.
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ditto. Have so much 556 and 223 laying around, I was so glad to finally use up the .223 hoard.

I think I'm gonna wait for the makasi to be available in person. not sure when, but I'm sure plenty of vendors will see the demand and stock them after the initial rush (i hope!)

the Crusader arms kit (if you do end up getting it)-- - just be aware, the handguard does get kind loose, so you gotta really tighten down the nut at the front after things get very warm/hot at the front (after a long duration at the range).

Mine's seen better days, I'm using channel locks to really tighten it down. I don't think Akdas anticipated users to shoot this as much...(I'm over +4000 rnds now).
 
Kodiak has an Mlock handguard, AR trigger and pistol grip adapter, and AR buffer tube adapter. You can find one fellow on Reddit throughly enjoying his.
 
Had mine for about a year now.

To answer some of your questions:
1. absolutely does not like steel case 223 ammo (russian or hornady steel case - dont even know if hornady even makes steel case 223 any more), cases will get stuck in the chamber 1 out of 5 rounds, otherwise no real issues with brass case ammo
2. ive shot 5.56 m855 ammo and some other random 223 loads from 55 to 75grs I had lying around, no real issues so far. its more accurate with the heavier bullets, as far as overall accuracy maybe <2 MOA with heavier ammo which isn't bad. I'm about 300 rounds in... I know ammo isn't cheap these days
3. do not get tommy enterprises furniture. he prints them out of resin and not engineering filament, it's super flimsy and not rated for extended use. otherwise I have a Fox Operator pic rail stock adapter printed out of carbon fiber reinforced nylon and that stuff is super tough and works well for my setup.
4. to prevent the forend from coming loose or having play the front screw cap needs to be loctited and torqued extra tight by pulling out on the sling swivel until it "locks" and using that to twist the cap
5. perhaps the biggest design flaw: to strip the rifle for cleaning the gas port, bolt etc. you will need to remove the forend and undo the large spring loaded nut that fixes the entire barrel to the receiver, removing this affects zero and if you don't re-torque it tight enough you might run into headspace issues

as for the firing pin retaining pin get messed up... small roll pins are a wearable part, from what I know more than a few different manufacturers cheap out and get low quality roll pins and put them in rifles. havent had mine give out yet... the good news is you can get replacements at the crappy tire, but its a real pain if the firing pin spring also gets messed up
 
I took it to the Range this afternoon. Mine came with the optional pistol grip stock.
I shot AE 55gr .233, Winchester 55gr .223 and Herters 55gr .223 SP. I used the stock polymer mag, a PMAG Gen2 30 round mag, and Cross mags.
I did not try any 5.56.
There were Zero issues to either feed, fire or extract with various combinations of ammo and those magazines. Over 120 rounds fired.
It shoots under 1.5" MOA at 50 meters (I'm a mediocre shot at best). It shoots as quickly as I can pull the trigger with no failures and little recoil.
The rifle has a good trigger that takes some getting used to. The controls are fine - I'm a lefty.
There's a bit of blowback - again lefty.
The rifle is forward heavy, which is great when shooting off a bipod - But sucks when standing. Kneeling is fine.
The handguard gets hot quickly - Wear gloves.
It's a PIA to disassemble and assemble.
Overall I'm happy with the rifle.
 
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