All Weather 223 Deer Rifle

iron cat said:
Actually, John Barsness is one writer who has quite a bit of experience with .22 centerfires for hunting big game, and I would take his opinions over most of the gun writers of today.
But then he has lots of experience with the 28 gauge and wild Pheasants and Sharptails, which many " experts" consider too small for wild birds of any kind, so there is that......
Cat
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OK, one writer, I guess I was wrong all along.:rolleyes: How many thousands of threads, probably 10's of thousands of them when the question is asked,"I want to start my son,daughter or wife with a hunting rifle, what would you recommend?" I guess a centerfire 22 was the most popular answer, according to you, John Barsness and the woke dogma group. There is a very small group who are way out in left field regarding this issue, a reflection of a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.............stay the course.
 
Using a 22 centerfire on big game isn’t woke. Not sure how woke applies?

Anyway, its been done successfully way too much to discount out of hand.
 
track said:
OK, one writer, I guess I was wrong all along.:rolleyes: How many thousands of threads, probably 10's of thousands of them when the question is asked,"I want to start my son,daughter or wife with a hunting rifle, what would you recommend?" I guess a centerfire 22 was the most popular answer, according to you, John Barsness and the woke dogma group. There is a very small group who are way out in left field regarding this issue, a reflection of a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.............stay the course.
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So, what would you use on a 70 lbs. deer within 50 yards? I'm interested in a "real trophy hunters" approach on this !
 
track said:
More WOKE DOGMA! Firearm and ammuniton manufactures do not recommend centerfire 22 for big game, many or all gun writers don't recommend it as well. Check out listings for the top ten cartridges for big game hunting, there are no 22 centerfire mentioned. I believe that hunters education doesn't recommend it. You, Joel et al have at it, go hunt moose and grizzly bear with the pea shooters, I'm sure a 500 yard shot will do the trick. Some people just love going against the grain, by escaping the scope of common sense.
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Wouldn't the Woke part be commenting and Karen'ing against something you've so obviously never done?
Ran out of F's to give about what anyone else thinks, recommends, or in your case, guesses at a long long time ago. Actual experience trumps all, bar none.
Your feelings aren't facts, and neither is your opinion.
Go spew your liberal word speak elsewhere.
R.
 
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track said:
I was wrong all along
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Probably should have just gone with this in the first place.

In a lot of parts of this country, smart folks do indeed start their sons, daughters, or wife with a 22 Centerfire, not only for hunting, but for shooting as well.

The only one in left field... is you.

R.
 
track said:
OK, one writer, I guess I was wrong all along.:rolleyes:
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Yes. Now we are making some progress.

How many thousands of threads, probably 10's of thousands of them when the question is asked,"I want to start my son,daughter or wife with a hunting rifle, what would you recommend?" I guess a centerfire 22 was the most popular answer, according to you, John Barsness and the woke dogma group.
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probably 50/50 I would guess on most US forums. You get opinions from the guys that do it and see the results first hand and then make the conscious decision that for their son or daughter to have the best possible chance of a positive result they should start on a 22 centerfire with a good bullet. Then the others are more like you and start screeching and flapping in a tizzy and suggest an adult sized rifle that doesn’t fit in a cartridge and bullet combination that doesn’t work as well, and they don’t let their kids shoot it enough to become proficient alllllllthe while screaming about “ethics” and “morals”.
There is a very small group who are way out in left field regarding this issue, a reflection of a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.............stay the course.
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Not sure who you figure this is, but you seem to be having an emotional episode of some sort. Maybe you should go lay down until you feel better?
 
So, what would you use on a 70 lbs. deer within 50 yards? I'm interested in a "real trophy hunters" approach on this !


Oh Christ so many choices. 3030 22cals, 250 savage would be nice one. I even use a 4570( help with blood tail). 22 hornet with barnes has been used. If recall 22 hornet was one best poaching cals around
 
track said:
OK, one writer, I guess I was wrong all along.:rolleyes: How many thousands of threads, probably 10's of thousands of them when the question is asked,"I want to start my son,daughter or wife with a hunting rifle, what would you recommend?" I guess a centerfire 22 was the most popular answer, according to you, John Barsness and the woke dogma group. There is a very small group who are way out in left field regarding this issue, a reflection of a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.............stay the course.
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Barsness is not the only one, i just used him as an example.There are plenty of young hunters in the States that have started out with the .223 as well as thousands of deer and other animals being killed every year in places like New Zealand by hunters using the .222 and .223 .
There are a couple on this website actually.
Cat
 
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https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f12/223-deer-64884/
Pages of reading about the .223 on deer.

Ive got a Sako 75 stainless laminate in .223 1-9 twist, be an ideal tool for the original posters rifle,

Ive shot thousands off Deer ( Reds, fallow, sika,) and goats when culling and meat hunting in New Zealand, most with a sako vixen .222, don’t recall ever loosing a deer, goats likely yes, most due to numbers, deer come in ones and twos, goats in mobs of 20-100 at times, get in close, under 100m normally, pick your shot, and use a suitable bullet, un alarmed game, are easier to kill cleanly, and shot again if still on there feet.
.222 and .223 are better tools now, than 30 years ago, faster twist, heavier bullets and copper Barnes weren’t choices back then,
I don’t think the .223 is an ideal deer rifle, but it is suitable in right hands, on the right sized game.
Now days in my light compact rifle in NZ is a 6x45, same case (.223) 6 mm bullet, very effective with a 85 gr soft point,
 
now that is a heck of a lot of data points, southernman!

75gr Gold Dot looks promising too. Only have 1 box of em, may have to see how they do.
 
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