almost bought a mauser

triggerman42

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I was at a gun show on Sunday, and a cute little mauser caught my eye. It was a tiny little carbine with decent stock that had no cracks or major dents or marks. The bluing was ok , and the inside of the barrel was shiny , with lots of crisp rifling. It had a 17 + 1/2 " barrel I think ( didn't measure it , but that would be close).
The vendor said it was an Argentine carbine. I really liked it , but there was a few things that bothered me about it. It had hardly any markings on it any wear. No crest on the receiver , no makers mark that I could see . I didn't like the way the bolt felt during operation. I have handled a few mausers , K98s , Swede 96s + m38s , Gew 71/84 s , and this little carbine's action just didn't feel right to me. It didn't have the typical mauser smoothness or feel to it. I think it was an Argentine , that had been sold to another south American country, Peru perhaps , and the crest probably scrubbed at that time. But there still should have been manufacturer's marks , model #s I thought. I noticed it had a very large back sight assembly on it, so I assumed it was cut down from a longer rifle . The carbines usually have a shorter based sight. The wood did not go all the way to the end of the barrel , and end in a steel nose cap like a 94 swede. It ended back a few inches from the bore. I was torn . I wasn't sure exactly what it was. I didn't like the feel of the bolt and it looked like it would kick like a mule. But it was cute as hell , and the price was very reasonable.
I passed on it , because I didn't want to start reloading for another caliber. It was in 7.65x53mm argentine.
I have remorse now for not buying it. DANG ! Who else has passed on a gun , and then kicked themselves later? lol
 
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If you were at the Lyndhurst gun show, I looked really hard at the same carbine but did not buy it because like you, it did not feel right. The caliber was no problem to me as I already reload for a Peruviam Modelo 1935 carbine. I researched it in Mauser Military rifles of the world and Mauser bolt rifles as well as the internet and CGN and found nothing like it. The rear sight is a Lange Vizier which is found on Gewehr 98s and a few Other Mauser full length rifles. It is normally graduated to 2000 meters which is really optimistic for such a short barreled carbine or any rifle for that matter!
 
Argentina never had a Lange Vizier sighted rifle.

Sounds like it could either be a 1891 Engineers Carbine or a 1909 Cavalry Carbine, however without pictures that is about as far as I can get from that description. Was it a M98 or M89/91 action?

The 1891 Engineers Carbine also is shorter than the 1909, with a roughly 17.5" barrel vs the roughly 21.5" barrel on the 1909 carbine. Argentine Mausers usually have there crests scrubbed from being sold off as surplus, usually not to another country rather for sale to civilians. There are some 1909s with the crests intact, however it is very hard to find a 1891 with the crest still on there.

Both the 1891 Engineers Carbine and 1909 Cavalry Carbine should have a 1400m sight on them as well.
 
A number of Argentine model 1891 rifles ended up in Peru with shortened barrels and Lang sights.

There was one for sale on the EE a little while ago.
 
A number of Argentine model 1891 rifles ended up in Peru with shortened barrels and Lang sights.

There was one for sale on the EE a little while ago.


I have one of those and it is exactly as described by the OP. Great little carbine but it also requires a different bayonet. The Peruvians either had them refurbed by the Argentines, most likely, to fit into their system and accept the quill blade long bayonets that were already in use by the Peruvians. The Lange style rear sight is correct for that rifle.

Very handy little carbine that is chambered for the 7.65 Argentine round. The condition you describe is pretty much about what most of them looked like when they came into Canada. We didn't see any in Canada but the US had some that were new in wrap. Ye Olde Hunter advertised them as such. By NIW I mean fresh from the FTR and customizing.

Mine is accurate, handy and unlike the one you mentioned, smooth handling as most M91s are. I like it a lot and like many South American Mausers just don't get enough respect. Most South American nations have tumultuous histories at best and many of their firearms have seen a lot of combat. Even though many of the surplus rifles coming out of SA have been ridden hard and show the stresses many have excellent bores and were not only well taken care of but properly FTRed before phasing into more modern firearms and stored properly as well.

IMHO the South American Mausers are the last existing jewels of remaining Mausers. They are easily as good as their European counterparts and differ only in contract numbers and of course national markings.

Right now a very good condition SA Mauser of any model brings less than half of what a European clone brings. IMHO they are a steal. A decade from now they will be easily as valuable as those used in Europe. Same goes for Middle East and African/Far East versions. Time and the rareness of the remaining firearms that are being created by the UNATT will soon drive the price through the ceiling.

Pick them up while they are cheap because conditions are changing and many, especially the younger firearms enthusiasts have been lulled into complacency by the very cheap Com Bloc imports. There are a hell of a lot less Mausers of any model out there from the rest of the world other than Europe than most realize and over the next ten years will be the rarest of the rare.
 
Argentina never had a Lange Vizier sighted rifle.

Sounds like it could either be a 1891 Engineers Carbine or a 1909 Cavalry Carbine, however without pictures that is about as far as I can get from that description. Was it a M98 or M89/91 action?

The 1891 Engineers Carbine also is shorter than the 1909, with a roughly 17.5" barrel vs the roughly 21.5" barrel on the 1909 carbine. Argentine Mausers usually have there crests scrubbed from being sold off as surplus, usually not to another country rather for sale to civilians. There are some 1909s with the crests intact, however it is very hard to find a 1891 with the crest still on there.

Both the 1891 Engineers Carbine and 1909 Cavalry Carbine should have a 1400m sight on them as well.

Interesting thread, I've an unscrubbed 1891 Peruvian Mauser rifle with the Lange sight, it's one of my favorites at the moment. Beautiful arms, mayhaps I'll find time to upload some pictures on Sunday.
 
Interesting thread, I've an unscrubbed 1891 Peruvian Mauser rifle with the Lange sight, it's one of my favorites at the moment. Beautiful arms, mayhaps I'll find time to upload some pictures on Sunday.

All of the Peruvian 1891 short rifles were scrubbed of their Argentine crests. Some were christened with the Peruvian crests but most were left bare.
 
All of the Peruvian 1891 short rifles were scrubbed of their Argentine crests. Some were christened with the Peruvian crests but most were left bare.

Not a huge expert by any means, but mine is most definitely not short. And it's sporting a really great Peruvian crest; and all the little hats and clasped hands too. Very cool and unique rifle IMO
 
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