Americans love their Tavors

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Spoke with three friends this past week, all south of the border, all AR nuts, and all who ordered and received their Tavor's Without exception they are in a race to dump surplus AR's and replace them with Tavors. Have it on good authority that Gisselle (sic) busy at work developing a new drop in trigger pack to lighten the pull. Looks like a fad that is really taking off. they are clueing in to the wonderful attributes of a wonderful design. Feels light, points quick, almost zero muzzle rise, and incredibly controllable. These guys are salivating over it


Its just right in so many ways.

Anyone hearing of our U.S. brethren who just don't like it?
 
Leviathan024 said:
Great to hear. Sadly the triggers and bolts are different from idf and Canadian model tavors
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Do you mean Canadian model IWI Tavor triggers are different than those made in the USA factories? I have heard that myself but I think the triggers that we have and the triggers that IWI supplies the IDF are the same.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong just looking for clarification. Cheers.
 
dizzy said:
Anyone hearing of our U.S. brethren who just don't like it?
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There seem to be a lot of "but it's a bullpup!" or "I don't like the trigger" people, or ones who seem to expect the Tavor aftermarket to be as good as the AR's already. Price might be an issue as well, $2000 U.S. gets you a lot in carbine terms down there.

Still, I'm pleasantly surprised at how well its taking off given the number of other options they have.
 
870P said:
There seem to be a lot of "but it's a bullpup!" or "I don't like the trigger" people, or ones who seem to expect the Tavor aftermarket to be as good as the AR's already. Price might be an issue as well, $2000 U.S. gets you a lot in carbine terms down there.
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They are used to buying cheap AR's however the chaps I'm talking with are selling a few each to buy anothe Tavor. Looks like their love for them may soon surpass theFanadian love for them now that they have discovered bull pups aren't so bad after all. I'm guessing once geissele creates a trigger for it, the love will grow.
 
factionrr said:
Do you mean Canadian model IWI Tavor triggers are different than those made in the USA factories? I have heard that myself but I think the triggers that we have and the triggers that IWI supplies the IDF are the same.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong just looking for clarification. Cheers.
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Our Canadian legal models have an altered idf trigger pack I do believe. The American version is different all together as are a few other parts. 922r laws and cheaper to produce
 
If the trigger groups are different, those differences must be very tiny or purely cosmetic. I did a trigger job on my gen 2 basing myself on a Nutnfancy video (where a US gunsmith was working on one of theirs to lighten its' pull) and all parts, right down to the retaining pins, appeared to be the same. Same job, same parts, same end result (better/nicer trigger pull).

...unless I missed something?

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Wow, I can't remember the U.S. aftermarket ever taking off this quickly for a military style rifle, maybe for any gun.

Definately looks promising so far!
 
Teapot said:
Perhaps those that are ordering them are all from Brooklyn. lol. The AR is superior but the Tavor is shorter.
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honestly I've been running the tavor as my first black rifle and never got a chance to actually use an AR until about a week or so and being used to the tavor and growing up with it, when I started running the AR, I quickly realized how the tavor is a much better design. The ergonomics were so awkward on the AR since im used to the tavor. Everything on the tavor is so straight forward, simple and idot proof while the AR just seemed to be much harder and slower to manipulate. Not to mention it did have a few malfunctions.
 
Teapot said:
Perhaps those that are ordering them are all from Brooklyn. lol. The AR is superior but the Tavor is shorter.
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Please tell me in your opinion why the AR is superior?

Tavor is shorter but barrel is longer. Tavor feels lighter. Tavor is better balanced. Tavor holds my 2200$ elcan sight better than my AR. Tavor is super easy to clean and you dont have to remove the upper to run a cleaning brush in the barrel just flip the butt. Tavor comes with embedded back up sights, the front even has tritium.

Really only thing missing is a nice trigger assembly, but then all ARs need a nice geiselle trigger upgrade as well.
 
omegaboost said:
The ergonomics were so awkward on the AR since im used to the tavor. Everything on the tavor is so straight forward, simple and idot proof while the AR just seemed to be much harder and slower to manipulate. Not to mention it did have a few malfunctions.
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That says it right there. I've never ran a Tavor, but the ergos and manuals of the AR are very intuitive. I think you being used to the Tavor is the only reason you felt this way cause most n00b who are new to rifles in general find the AR very easy to get used to.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing the two. I cannot, I've never ran a Tavor. I just find the AR to be brilliant in it's design, especially considering how old it is. Only strike against it to me is locking the bolt open, in actual operation the thing is lightning fast.
 
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mikethebike said:
Please tell me in your opinion why the AR is superior?

Tavor is shorter but barrel is longer. Tavor feels lighter. Tavor is better balanced. Tavor holds my 2200$ elcan sight better than my AR. Tavor is super easy to clean and you dont have to remove the upper to run a cleaning brush in the barrel just flip the butt. Tavor comes with embedded back up sights, the front even has tritium.

Really only thing missing is a nice trigger assembly, but then all ARs need a nice geiselle trigger upgrade as well.
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I'm not going to say one is better then the other, but obvious bullpup advantages aside, it seems you really have to split hairs to put the Tavor on top.

I just watched a vid of tavor cleaning and takedown, I must say, it's damn slick for a piston gun, but I don't see how it's any easier or less complicated then an AR.

The Tavor is in no question an awesome piece of machinery, but if anything, I see it as a testament to the kind of engineering it takes to compete with the AR.
 
Conte said:
That says it right there. I've never ran a Tavor, but the ergos and manuals of the AR are very intuitive. I think you being used to the Tavor is the only reason you felt this way cause most n00b who are new to rifles in general find the AR very easy to get used to.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing the two. I cannot, I've never ran a Tavor. I just find the AR to be brilliant in it's design, especially considering how old it is. Only strike against it to me is locking the bolt open, in actual operation the thing is lightning fast.
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well maybe its also the fact that I'm a lefty but I just found it a lot more of a hassle to manipulate. Charging handle is in an awkward place, mag release is meant for righties, bolt catch is more of a hassle for lefties as well.

As for the tavor, whether you're a lefty or not, you can run it just as fast. All the controls are well positioned for ambi-use and it runs super reliable all the time. Not to mention the AR I shot had a few malfunctions while my tavor after 1000s of rounds never once had any hiccups.

Honestly the only thing that I love more about the AR is that it comes more naturally when you hold it since the tavor is a bullpup. Not to mention the tons of available parts and mods for it.

Tavors can be just as fast if not faster right out of the box to manipulate:
 
"...surplus AR's..." No such thing.
"..."I don't like the trigger"..." You'll get that with any firearm. Our Southern cousins(and a lot of Canadians) don't seem to get it that all new commercial firearms require a trigger job due to frivolous U.S. law suits.
"...a fad..." The latest of many. It'd be PS90's if they could get 'em cheap enough.
 
The Tavor is a great infantry rifle. Multi use tool. It does many things very well. The ergos are very good on it. It's very reliable (considered the AK bullpup) and it's a joy to shoot off hand due to the short length and balance. Uses AR mags etc. It gives you a lot of versatility in it's stock form. Infantry rifle and still good for in close urban environments.

The AR is a great platform. It can be anything you want. The ergos are good and very intuitive. The new ambi lowers and ambi uppers (See ADCOR) have made the ergos even better. Add ons such as the Rapter charging handle etc continue to hit the market and really make the AR a 21st century rifle. DI, Piston, hybrid (ADCOR) no problem. Target rifle? No problem just swap out uppers. Short system again no problem. It's ability to be specialized and changed to suit any use is the main strength of the AR. The AR is exceptionally modular.

The main thing is the AR can be specialized for the individual need while the Tavor is an all around jack of all trades. Both have advantages. Yes I really do like my Tavor. But I also like my AR rifles.

Here's an example of a current AR15

This is an ADCOR with a HERA HLS ambi lower (currently also has a Rapter charging handle). The ADCOR has an ambi changable side charging handle. The lower offers ambi mag release, ambi bolt release, and ambi safety selector.

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The Tavor also ambi charging handle, safety can be changed as well as a bolt and ejection for left handers. The Tavor has the potential to be far more left friendly out of the box (providing you can get the bolt etc). It's overall length with a 18.5" is shorter than a 14.5" AR15 with the stock fully collapsed. It gives you rifle velocity with SBR length. It's a piston system right out of the box.

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Get them both.
 
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