Another AR Magazine Ruling...

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We just got word that the RCMP have made another ruling that could affect Canadian gun owners.

The Chiappa AR15 M4 (22lr) is going to be available in both a rifle and a pistol version...

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The pistol version and rifle version both use the same 28 round magazine and since the magazine was designed and manufactured to be used and sold with BOTH the handgun and the rifle the RCMP have ruled that this magazine is a dual purpose magazine and therefore ruled it a handgun magazine and legally limited to 10 rounds regardless of the firearm in which it is subsequently used in.

Not sure why this ruling has not yet been "officially" released but expect to see this information sent out to importers and CFO's in the very near future.

Last time we posted this type of info (about the S&W M&P 15-22 magazine issue) I was accused of having ulterior motives and vested interests... neither of which were the case. In this instance we do not have any interest or benefit or involvement with importing or selling the Chiappa firearms. We make this information available only so that firearm owners can be aware of what is happening behind the scenes and what rulings are being made. I seriously considered keeping this information to ourselves and waiting... but I don't want to see people get into trouble or buy products that are already known to be contentious... so I'm making the information public. If people want to call me names or make accusations then so be it.

If you have any doubts of the validity of this information may I suggest that you write to:

Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Specialized Firearms Support Services
Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate
NPS - Rm 504
P.O. Box 8885,
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
K1G 3M8
 
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I, for one, never thought any less of Questar in regards to the S&W mag issues that have been mentioned. We're all in this together and it's nice that someone (Questar) is letting us know what the hell is going on when things are being changed behind closed doors.

THANKS AGAIN QUESTAR - YOU GUYS ROCK!!! :cheers:
 
You're a stand up dealer Mark., who brings us great stuff. Too bad you got slandered. When you speak to thousands you're bound hear back from one or two A Holes, but you know that already.
 
Now, what are Canadian gun owners going to do about this? Just roll over and take it like usual? When is that final straw going to be broken to get the FED UP III rally going? Never? Enough is enough, time to draw that line in the sand. If not this issue, then what?
 
Tuco Pike said:
Now, what are Canadian gun owners going to do about this? Just roll over and take it like usual? When is that final straw going to be broken to get the FED UP III rally going? Never? Enough is enough, time to draw that line in the sand. If not this issue, then what?
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Then what? I don't know, but it likely won't be over a tacticool .22 that pretty much nobody owns.

Honestly? I'm not even sure a ban on 10/22 25 rounders would do it.

Maybe once they target the Winchester 100's, rem 760's, and 1100's people may get off their butts.
 
Wrong Way said:
Then what? I don't know, but it likely won't be over a tacticool .22 that pretty much nobody owns.

Honestly? I'm not even sure a ban on 10/22 25 rounders would do it.

Maybe once they target the Winchester 100's, rem 760's, and 1100's people may get off their butts.
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but even that, i doubt...
 
Wrong Way said:
Then what? I don't know, but it likely won't be over a tacticool .22 that pretty much nobody owns.

Honestly? I'm not even sure a ban on 10/22 25 rounders would do it.

Maybe once they target the Winchester 100's, rem 760's, and 1100's people may get off their butts.
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i doubt it you will never see canadians stand up to government
 
With the fear of being called crypto-liberal or something worse (I can't think of something worse but people have fertile imaginations), the RCMP simply apply the same logic that gave us 10 round AR mags. They are labeled as handgun magazines by RRA and presto, can be used in rifles. What really sucks here is not the RCMP (well they suck sometimes too) but the moronic law of magazine capacity! When I wrote to Gary B. about the gun registry and gun laws and told him the magazine section, among others, is simply the act of simpletons that wanted to prove to little old ladies in Montreal that they are tough on gun crime and the conservatives should change some sections, I was told in no uncertain terms that there is "no such strong demand from gun owners themselves!". I am sure that even raving liberals on a moment of mental clarity do recognize that if one wants to shoot up a lot of people, he can carry more mags and mag capacity plays no factor in crime. However, what fraction of the shooting fraternity raised hell for 5 rounders in semi autos or 10 rounders in pistols? This is the problem NOT the dual purpose classification. Why can't S&W and Chiappa knowing that they are dealing with Canadian laws designate their magazine's accordingly, like 10 rounds for the pistol and 25 rounders for rifle? Would that stop the RCMP, maybe not but it makes easier for a way out.

My own two bits
 
so what about the bd 50 round drum i have in .22lr? do they fit in that gun? any news about those mags?
 
Thanks for the heads up. You guys are a class act. And I'm not just saying that because I am patiently waiting for my PWS-MK110 to show up. Heheheh!
 
How can people actually get invloved and put a stop to this stuff happening? It's easy to pass a law against gun owners if no gun owners even know there is a plot.
And don't tell me to buy a membership with some association because they shure shart the bed on this.
I mean how could it get from the point of concoction to the point of shoving another sh't sandwhich down out throats without somebody knowing that's supposedly on our side.

Hire a spy or something......
 
fuzzynuts54 said:
How can people actually get invloved and put a stop to this stuff happening? It's easy to pass a law against gun owners if no gun owners even know there is a plot.
And don't tell me to buy a membership with some association because they shure shart the bed on this.
I mean how could it get from the point of concoction to the point of shoving another sh't sandwhich down out throats without somebody knowing that's supposedly on our side.

Hire a spy or something......
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The mag. capacity restrictions began with Kim Campbell. It was no secret, it was publicly announced and was incorporated in the CPC's new law. The Libs. included it in theirs.
These organizations you are criticizing, along with firearm owners, were vocal, and lobbied at the time. Individuals and organizations can try to influence the legislative process, but unfortunately cannot pass legislation.
As far as that goes, the program of incremental restriction has been known since the '70s. No secret.
I do not know what you expect - some sort of wand waving instant fix? Poof and its gone?

As far as these magazine capacity interpretations are concerned - RRA/LAR, S&W and Chiappa - the RCMP are doing nothing other than applying the law as written. What else can they do? Is there a vast conspiracy to read the law, and apply it as written?
 
Wrong Way said:
^^^if the RCMP "Applied the law as written", we would all have gsg-5's right now.
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This is true...

I just see the RCMP passing and increasing whatever restrictions/delays as they can whenever possible, if the old guard drops off and retires then hopefully we get RCMP in their that are not biased against firearm ownership in general..

But Remember it makes Police jobs easier in there view if we have no firearms, at the end of the day they care about their own interests, and that means bending the rules there way and making the law, or interpreting towards their agenda...Not ours, we have really little to offer them, accept for their member's that are sport shooting/hunters enthusiasts.

At the end o the day people in Canada care about there individual needs & wants only, and not there fellow man.

The only way to fight this is get more people shooting and involved, especially people in key places...
 
It seems odd how much these rulings are influenced or started by the marketing wordings of products, i.e. what they are sold/advertised by the manufacturers as.
I suppose we are not big enough a market for manufacturers to take into consideration when marketing their products......?
 
fuzzynuts54 said:
How can people actually get invloved and put a stop to this stuff happening?
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And don't tell me to buy a membership with some association because they shure shart the bed on this.
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1) join the CPC ( https://secure.conservative.ca/become_a_member/?language_id=0 ) and get active in campaigns and on the riding association board. Let people know why you're there, and invite board members to the range to enjoy themselves. Involve your candidate / MP in the same manner.
2) join the CSSA or NFA. Like it your not, they are your best advocates.
 
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