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I know this question has been asked before but I'm still unclear after doing tons of reading here.

Am I permitted to store the ammo in the same storage container as the guns? I read that you can store them both together as long as the storage container is a SAFE and not a cabinet such as the stack on ones at crappy tire. Is that correct? Or does it mean that I can store my guns in either type of cabinet or SAFE with the ammo stored inside the SAFE or cabinet as long as the ammo is locked in a secure box before it is placed inside?

Maybe a simple answer for you all to interpret but I need some help.

Thanks
 
This is what I got off of the CFC site,,hope it helps.

Storing Firearms Safely


  • Unload and lock your firearms!
  • Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearm.
 
I read that too and maybe thats part of the reason for my confusion in combination with all the info I have read here.

Is this scenario correct?

I get a stack on cabinet that is not a safe that has a upper shelf inside. I put all the ammo I own either loose or in the factory packaging on that top shelf. I also have all my guns inside with no trigger locks or anything but are unloaded. Cabinet is then closed and locked and key put away in a safe location like on the key ring with my truck keys.

Would this be considered legal?
 
I think you're good to go....but one thing needs to be addressed here. If all your ammo can fit on the top shelf, I'm telling you, you don't have enough rifles and ammo. I hate to pick on a guy, but someone had to say it.:p
 
No - non-restricted firearms can be stored together with ammunition in a securely locked container or receptacle. Note that there is no provision for storage of non-restricted firearms in securely locked rooms, vaults or safes, but I wouldn't worry about that - LOL! However, you can store your restricted firearms and ammunition together in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked. So yes, your container qualifies as long as it can be kept securely locked and is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into. Yes.......the legislation is that forked up - LOL! Also note bolt removal or locking mechanism is required if you store a restricted firearm in a securely locked container or receptacle - whether you store it with ammunition or not. From the Firearms Act:

STORAGE OF NON-RESTRICTED FIREARMS

5. (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,
(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or
(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.
(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

STORAGE OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS

6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
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OK! So I should be good to go if I have a cheap stack-on cabinet with an upper shelf inside that I store my ammo in store bought boxes or loose with my guns ( Browning X Bolt SS composite stalker 22-250, Browing BPS rifled hunter, Marlin .22 semi and a few others LOL!!) and have them locked out with either a trigger lock or bolt removed lock. It sounds like I'm being cheap but my kids and wife know I have guns and have been pounded with what guns are all about and all that jaz and they go out with me and they all have fired every gun I have. I'm not worried about my family but about some of the clowns that my kids drag home. All hunting, gun related gear is out of site and no one would ever know what I got till I showed you. My kids have friends that have cops as parents so I keep what I have very low key. Their parents know I hunt so they know I have guns in the house but they have no problem with their kids staying over for days at a time.

My ammo currently is in my barn in an ammo bag I take with me when I go hunting but my guns are in the house under my pillow support HLM (Horizontal Love maker)
 
STORAGE OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS

(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked
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The regs are pretty vague but the idea is to prevent easy access to firearms so that a casual visitor doesn't pick up a firearm, load it and accidentally shoot someone, not to prevent a criminal gang from ripping you off.

So when the regs say you can keep a restricted firearm in a room, safe, or vault modified for secure storage. Nothing specifies exactly what this means, so everyone has a differing but likely valid opinion. I'm convinced (and this is only my opinion ;)) that a stack-on cabinet bolted to the floor or wall is perfectly adequate to satisfy the requirement for storage of a restricted firearm along with ammunition and without a trigger lock. In reality it doesn't even have to be bolted to anything.

After all, a room modified for safe storage could be a cupboard with a door to which you've added a decent lock. People are sure to disagree with that statement but like I said the regs are vague.

:stirthepot2:
 
Thanks to all your opinions and you all have gave some great info but I'm not talking about restricted firearms. All I have is unrestricted guns and thats all I'm talking about. I just want to have my basic shotgun, 22-250 and 22 stored the legal way. I don't need or can afford to get charged for something that can easily be avoided with low cost but safety implemented. Hate to get dinged for something stupid cause I didn't understand the lawyer wording and crap.
 
A stack on cabinet, with all your non-restricted firearms and ammo in it, is more than adequate for you storage needs. Trigger locks, cable locks and removing the bolt are not necessary in the eyes of the law if stored in a locked cabinet i.e. a "cheap" stack on, though one more layer of security couldn't hurt if it makes you sleep better at night. If you want to hang them on the wall then you need trigger/cable locks or remove the bolt and store ammo separately.
Don't forget, a LEO needs a search warrant to step foot in your castle! If you don't give them a reason to be there I highly doubt you'll ever have one knock on your door to "check things out" anyway.
 
Thanks for the info. Now I know what I need to do to be legal. I plan on putting the stack on cabinet inside a closet that is always locked as we store things inside the closet that the kids have no reason to be seeing or playing with. Gifts and such are bought through out the year and thats where they are hidden till they are needed. Wife doesn't want the cabinet out in the open as it doesn't fit in with her decor. LOL!
 
Since you mention your kids' friends running in and out of the house, its also a good idea to make sure your ammunition is secure as well - as an extra precaution, to avoid any Criminal Code Section 86 - Careless Use charges. This is the blanket charge police use that basically covers everything - even the F.A. regs. The key is to ensure you take reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.

Careless use of firearm, etc.

86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.

Contravention of storage regulations, etc.

(2) Every person commits an offence who contravenes a regulation made under paragraph 117(h) of the Firearms Act respecting the storage, handling, transportation, shipping, display, advertising and mail-order sales of firearms and restricted weapons.
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FarmerSid said:
Thanks for the info. Now I know what I need to do to be legal. I plan on putting the stack on cabinet inside a closet that is always locked as we store things inside the closet that the kids have no reason to be seeing or playing with. Gifts and such are bought through out the year and thats where they are hidden till they are needed. Wife doesn't want the cabinet out in the open as it doesn't fit in with her decor. LOL!
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For non-restricted, that's just perfect. :D
 
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
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I'm getting my RPAL soon, and will be buying a G17 shortly after.

Now, since I live in an apartment on my own - I don't have a ton of room, so i'd like to avoid getting a large standup safe/cabinet. if possible, legally

Going by the printed out rules...wouldn't something like this work?

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To store both gun and loaded magazines in? (magazines not loaded IN gun of course).

It's securely locked, and not all that easy to break into. Of course unless the container itself is stolen and they have some more tools/time available to them.

Also, if I did keep a gun/magazines in there, could I keep boxed ammunition beside the case?

Lastly, do you need a trigger lock if you store it as mentioned?
 
What you suggest meets the requirements of the regs. As you implied, you cannot store loaded magazines on the firearm - just making that clear.

Ammunition doesn't have to be locked away, so you can leave it out.

No requirement but you might want to secure the container, so it cannot be easily carried away and a lockable (combination lock) tool box is great for storing ammunition.
 
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