Another gen 3 m10x review/ surplus ammo…

[DEBRUSK519]

so I’ve owned a gen 2 m10x that I had to hill billy gunsmith it to get it to run properly with cheap ammo.

unboxing my gen 3 plus you can immediately feel the rifle is lighter and way better balanced with the skeletonized hand guard and lighter profile barrel. Finally had time so I mounted a red dot and got it to the range yesterday.

Tested the rifle with Chech surplus, Chinese surplus, red box nork, S&B 124gr sp, and Hornady black box 123gr,

Ran the rifle on gas setting 2 to zero red dot and break in with red box nork and had zero stoppages. About 200rnds

Put it to gas setting 1 and started firing Chinese surplus. Had a stove pipe after 50rnds or so. Put it back to setting 2 and chugged through 100-150 no stopping.

Just like my gen 2 this rifle also does not like the chech surplus. Ran about 50-60rnds with the odd failure to eject. Sucks because I have about 3 crates of it. I guess my sks can eat it up.

Ran the expensive brass cased ammo of setting 1 20rnds each without stoppage.

I’m not a great shot and using red dot at 100 I didn’t measure groups but I would say I was getting around 4-5 moa. Even with the expensive brass ammo the POI changed but the group sizes were pretty much the same as the cheap surplus. Maybe a little better with the S&B 124gr. The flyers are usually the 4th and 5th shot as the barrel gets hot.
I’m waiting on my rings for my 1-6 lpvo and I’ll take it out again to get a better idea of what it can do.

All in all I’m happy with it so far. I love the ergos of the rifle and it’s such a soft smooth shooting 7.62 rifle. Feels like you’re shooting a 223. The accuracy could definitely be better. Some other guys are claiming 2moa with certain ammo but judging on my experience and others on here I would need to see that to believe it.

 

[saskcop]

M+M why can't you make these things work as you have been beta testing at the expense of your customers for years already? They need to run on any 7.62x39 ammo that the consumer can find. How hard is that when an SKS can run on the worst of the worst? I want to like these rifles, but to shell out over $2500 after taxes to only need to cherry pick ammo and still get abysmal accuracy? Not these days ....

 

[scianna54]

so I’ve owned a gen 2 m10x that I had to hill billy gunsmith it to get it to run properly with cheap ammo.

unboxing my gen 3 plus you can immediately feel the rifle is lighter and way better balanced with the skeletonized hand guard and lighter profile barrel. Finally had time so I mounted a red dot and got it to the range yesterday.

Tested the rifle with Chech surplus, Chinese surplus, red box nork, S&B 124gr sp, and Hornady black box 123gr,

Ran the rifle on gas setting 2 to zero red dot and break in with red box nork and had zero stoppages. About 200rnds

Put it to gas setting 1 and started firing Chinese surplus. Had a stove pipe after 50rnds or so. Put it back to setting 2 and chugged through 100-150 no stopping.

Just like my gen 2 this rifle also does not like the chech surplus. Ran about 50-60rnds with the odd failure to eject. Sucks because I have about 3 crates of it. I guess my sks can eat it up.

Ran the expensive brass cased ammo of setting 1 20rnds each without stoppage.

I’m not a great shot and using red dot at 100 I didn’t measure groups but I would say I was getting around 4-5 moa. Even with the expensive brass ammo the POI changed but the group sizes were pretty much the same as the cheap surplus. Maybe a little better with the S&B 124gr. The flyers are usually the 4th and 5th shot as the barrel gets hot.
I’m waiting on my rings for my 1-6 lpvo and I’ll take it out again to get a better idea of what it can do.

All in all I’m happy with it so far. I love the ergos of the rifle and it’s such a soft smooth shooting 7.62 rifle. Feels like you’re shooting a 223. The accuracy could definitely be better. Some other guys are claiming 2moa with certain ammo but judging on my experience and others on here I would need to see that to believe it.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Rankuwa]

M+M why can't you make these things work as you have been beta testing at the expense of your customers for years already? They need to run on any 7.62x39 ammo that the consumer can find. How hard is that when an SKS can run on the worst of the worst? I want to like these rifles, but to shell out over $2500 after taxes to only need to cherry pick ammo and still get abysmal accuracy? Not these days ....

The only thing I enjoy more about the M10X are posts like these from people who haven't fired them.

Reviewer: "All in all I’m happy with it so far."
Response: "OMG it didn't like 1 out of the 5 types of ammo you tried what a piece of junk beta testing on customers!"

 

[saskcop]

The only thing I enjoy more about the M10X are posts like these from people who haven't fired them.

Reviewer: "All in all I’m happy with it so far."
Response: "OMG it didn't like 1 out of the 5 types of ammo you tried what a piece of junk beta testing on customers!"

I want to fire one, heck I have held one and loved the look of it. I just can't pony up that kind of coin for something that is constantly getting poor reviews. Believe me, I want to like it as I love the 7.62x39.

 

[Rankuwa]

I want to fire one, heck I have held one and loved the look of it. I just can't pony up that kind of coin for something that is constantly getting poor reviews. Believe me, I want to like it as I love the 7.62x39.

Fair enough, it's a polarizing rifle it seems! I felt the same way on price so picked up the Gen 2.5 for $1700 and am very happy that I did.

The upgraded version have been getting good reviews, to say nothing of the one CSC is racking up the rounds on without issue. I agreed with everything the OP here said, and certainly didn't view it as a poor review, given the comment "all in all I'm happy with it so far."

 

[saskcop]

Fair enough, it's a polarizing rifle it seems! I felt the same way on price so picked up the Gen 2.5 for $1700 and am very happy that I did.

The upgraded version have been getting good reviews, to say nothing of the one CSC is racking up the rounds on without issue. I agreed with everything the OP here said, and certainly didn't view it as a poor review, given the comment "all in all I'm happy with it so far."

I am glad to hear that report. Are you going to post your findings over the long term? I'd love to hear how you make out with it. I really want one but am just to chicken to drop the coin on what may be a dud.

 

[DEBRUSK519]

M+M why can't you make these things work as you have been beta testing at the expense of your customers for years already? They need to run on any 7.62x39 ammo that the consumer can find. How hard is that when an SKS can run on the worst of the worst? I want to like these rifles, but to shell out over $2500 after taxes to only need to cherry pick ammo and still get abysmal accuracy? Not these days ....

Dude that’s the conclusion you got from my review?? lol. It worked with all the ammo so far but the chech surplus which I’m pretty sure you can’t even buy anymore.

I think the m10x has had trouble with some surplus is because of being under gassed. It’s a really smooth soft shooting rifle. Where as my sks will eat anything but kicks like a mule in comparison and launches the case to the moon.

If you can live with the wire stock and gen 2 handguard the gen 2.5 at 1700 is a steal. Hell an old Russian surplus is like 700 now. We live n Canada and we pay too much for just about everything

 

[scianna54]

^ Dude, no SKS kicks like a mule.

 

[Rankuwa]

I am glad to hear that report. Are you going to post your findings over the long term? I'd love to hear how you make out with it. I really want one but am just to chicken to drop the coin on what may be a dud.

Yes, I will post something longer term when I've reached a reasonable level of rounds, probably after 1000, but in the meantime have been updating via existing threads. I have absolutely no reliability concerns, but am curious about the accuracy potential. It's not very accurate with Norinco redbox and so reviews like this are helpful in prepping for some testing.

Being local to Calgary and having CSC customer service support eased the risk of the purchase for me considerably. If you are ever in Calgary I'd be more than happy to let you try it out!

 

[scianna54]

Yes, I will post something longer term when I've reached a reasonable level of rounds, probably after 1000, but in the meantime have been updating via existing threads. I have absolutely no reliability concerns, but am curious about the accuracy potential. It's not very accurate with Norinco redbox and so reviews like this are helpful in prepping for some testing.

Being local to Calgary and having CSC customer service support eased the risk of the purchase for me considerably. If you are ever in Calgary I'd be more than happy to let you try it out!

Just trade your Czech for Chinese, pretty sure you will have no problem finding takers.

 

[DEBRUSK519]

^ Dude, no SKS kicks like a mule.

“In comparison”. Means it kicks more than my m10x

 

[saskcop]

Dude that’s the conclusion you got from my review?? lol. It worked with all the ammo so far but the chech surplus which I’m pretty sure you can’t even buy anymore.

I think the m10x has had trouble with some surplus is because of being under gassed. It’s a really smooth soft shooting rifle. Where as my sks will eat anything but kicks like a mule in comparison and launches the case to the moon.

If you can live with the wire stock and gen 2 handguard the gen 2.5 at 1700 is a steal. Hell an old Russian surplus is like 700 now. We live n Canada and we pay too much for just about everything

True enough. The Canada black/red rifle tax is alive and well. I got the point of your review, but I still think a rifle of that price range should digest everything. There are guys with cases and cases of Czech stuff stilled squirreled away and who knows what will be available in the future for ammo?

 

[DEBRUSK519]

True enough. The Canada black/red rifle tax is alive and well. I got the point of your review, but I still think a rifle of that price range should digest everything. There are guys with cases and cases of Czech stuff stilled squirreled away and who knows what will be available in the future for ammo?

I hear ya but think about this. My buddy paid big $$$ a NR Bren 2 in 7.62x39 and it won’t run metal surplus like at all. Does that mean it’s a POS rifle? I don’t think so. It’s a modern design firearm with tighter tolerance's made for new modern spec ammo which it shoots very well. Where as the sks, vz, ak we’re literally designed for that surplus ammo we are so fond of for its price. I’m happy my gen 3 runs Chinese surplus and I plan on shooting the barrel out of that #####.

 

[saskcop]

Maybe we haven't made as much progress as we think we have over the years. We have 60 year old SKS's that will shoot half decent groups with ammo that is disgusting and will work even when filthy. Then we have expectations that newer is always better. Maybe just too high hopes.

 

[scianna54]

Maybe we haven't made as much progress as we think we have over the years. We have 60 year old SKS's that will shoot half decent groups with ammo that is disgusting and will work even when filthy. Then we have expectations that newer is always better. Maybe just too high hopes.

Most are 70 years old, except the newer Chinese. But otherwise 100 %.

 

[tex_on_the_trigger]

Love the quality of the Gen 3, mines run like a top so far, only hickups i had were initially caused by my lack of cleaning out the factory grease... M+M had cloged my extractor with heavy white grease... after that its run like a beast. The light weight and the extra screws to afix the internal rails to the external upper found on the Gen 3 upgrades really make a difference in my opinion. I would keep it however with the crypto im dying to make a mk12 of my own for literally years and this is now on the boards. I did find it accurate enough for a x39 rifle with surplus Id like to see somebody do a review with some hornady SST's.
great review and CONGRATS to each who bough the gen 3s!!!

 

[DEBRUSK519]

Love the quality of the Gen 3, mines run like a top so far, only hickups i had were initially caused by my lack of cleaning out the factory grease... M+M had cloged my extractor with heavy white grease... after that its run like a beast. The light weight and the extra screws to afix the internal rails to the external upper found on the Gen 3 upgrades really make a difference in my opinion. I would keep it however with the crypto im dying to make a mk12 of my own for literally years and this is now on the boards. I did find it accurate enough for a x39 rifle with surplus Id like to see somebody do a review with some hornady SST's.
great review and CONGRATS to each who bough the gen 3s!!!

Thanks man. The Hornady black I used did hat the SSTs. I honestly didn’t see much improvement in the groups with my red dot. When my rings come in I’m going to take it out and try again with the same ammo with a 1-6 lpvo. I’ll try and track down a gun vice too to eliminate shooter error and see what it really do. I’ll update here after.

 

[Parabellum08]

Bought a new gen1 rifle, try many ammo, jammomatic, MM will never had my cash again, overpriced rifle, cheap construction, only had a good look. The worst gun I ever had

 

[DEBRUSK519]

Bought a new gen1 rifle, try many ammo, jammomatic, MM will never had my cash again, overpriced rifle, cheap construction, only had a good look. The worst gun I ever had

I don’t blame you. Would especially suck considering NS was taking care of warranty at the time. My gen 2 had problems with steel cased surplus until I removed the firing pin spring & and lapped and polished contact surfaces. I stuck with because I loved the ergonomics and the way it shot. And we live in Canada our options are limited and will likely continue to be more limited as time goes on.

My dream rifle is a Jim Fuller custom AK 47 but that will have to wait until hell freezes over in Canada.