Another What It Worth - Enfield No4 Mk2

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Hi, I know someone that wants to sell what he says is a Lee Enfield No4 Mk2 rifle. It was made in the Royal Ordnance Factory, Fazakerley, Great Britain.

It has the original bayonet and scabbard and he says it's brand new and still wrapped in the grease paper. He sent me pics.. it's wrapped, and the bayonet and scabbard look like they just came of the assembly line.


If it's the real thing... how much?
 
Not up on current prices, but you had best have a FAT wallet for a rifle in the original wrap. Prices have gone insane below the border:eek:

Just think about it for a moment, A NEW sixty year old rifle
 
Here's a couple of pics.. does it look like the right paper? It's got lines in it... if you remember long ago, the Liquor Stores in Ontario had a very similar type of paper they used in their bags. I was still a little kid.. but I remember going to the LCBO with my Dad.

When did CDN Tire last sell that type of box of Winchester .303's for $12.99?

BTW...The gentleman is asking $800 for it.

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$800 is a market price and not unseen on other sites or the EE. If it was unwrapped, it would be worth $600-$700. If your looking for a shooter save your money buy something else, for a collection, ok. there's allot of them out of the wrap... very few in the wrap..

JMHO
 
x2 Pblatzz. If you're going to buy it as a shooter, just throw $200-$300 into the shredder. That's how much the rifle will devalue if you unwrap it. The paper is the same as mine. The customs people that insisted on tearing off the wrapping so they could verify the serial numbers, could use a really heavy kick in the gonads, if they have any. Sorry, just a little peeve. The bayo and scabbard, should also be wrapped in brown paper with the inside being green and shiny.

Many people that bought those when they first came out, immediately cleaned them up for use. I can remember one old gent saying "The last time I had one like that in my hands was in 1955 and we all had to take everything off them and take each one apart individually clean it all up and paint a number on the butt and put it in a rack. I always wanted a brand new one to make into a decent sporter." He did just that, bought the rifle for $125, spent at least that much on a new five round mag, getting the barrel cut back and the stock replaced with an afer market model as well as drilling and tapping for a side mount. I admit it was very pretty and a very decent shooter but when he passed away a few years ago, his wife had the rifle turned in for destruction. Oh well.
 
That reminds me of the book "The $50 Knife Shop" where the author recalls seeing a guy cut a folded steel katana into three pieces so he could make some fishing knives. :(

The best thing to be said about people like this is they make excellent material for people like Ron White (Google "You Can't Fix Stupid")

The worst is that they are allowed to reproduce.
 
Thanks for your insight guys. Always appreciated. I think I'd have a hard time NOT unwrapping it. I'd be like a kid in a candy store.
I already have 2 No1 Mk3 sporters and I was thinking of restoring one if the barrel hasn't been shortened. My luck it probably has and I'll have to buy another one.
OR, I could get an AIA .308 Enfield with the bonus scope at Marstar for the same money as this unwrapped one! Hmmmmm......

At any rate... thanks again,

Andy
 
I bought one in the wrap 5 years and regret unwrapping it. Too late now though. That one is easily worth $800 if he's selling it.
 
I unwrapped both of mine since the packing was compromised then they opened it to check the serial number and stamp the importers mark. You will hear from both sides of the aisle about unwrapping them. My 2 cents follows
1.Who are you saving it for? The guy who buys it from your estate?
2. It's about as useful in that condition as a two by four wrapped in the same paper.
3.This is NOT a Colt Patterson or a Civil War Henry rifle.
4.This is NOT T.E. Lawrances Enfield
5. This rifle WILL NOT be carried through the surf on Juno Beach, it will not be dragged up the rocks at Monte Cassino or scoured by a sandstorm in North Africa.
It will be placed in the safe. You will take it to the range in a padded case, shoot it, put it back in the case, take it home, clean it, and put it back in the safe. The amount of wear will be minimal.
Now just waiting for the flames from the "collectors"
 
I unwrapped both of mine since the packing was compromised then they opened it to check the serial number and stamp the importers mark. You will hear from both sides of the aisle about unwrapping them. My 2 cents follows
1.Who are you saving it for? The guy who buys it from your estate?
2. It's about as useful in that condition as a two by four wrapped in the same paper.
3.This is NOT a Colt Patterson or a Civil War Henry rifle.
4.This is NOT T.E. Lawrances Enfield
5. This rifle WILL NOT be carried through the surf on Juno Beach, it will not be dragged up the rocks at Monte Cassino or scoured by a sandstorm in North Africa.
It will be placed in the safe. You will take it to the range in a padded case, shoot it, put it back in the case, take it home, clean it, and put it back in the safe. The amount of wear will be minimal.
Now just waiting for the flames from the "collectors"

Well to each their own. I bought about three of these rifles in the mid to early 90s. A set of consecutive rifles, and one rifle in the wrap. While I kept the two consecutive rifles in the wrap, I unpacked it should be other rifle to shoot. But back then these rifles were still available to everyone. You could buy two consecutive rifles, three, even sets of four, or six rifles with consecutive serial numbers. If memory serves me correct, the cost was about $250 each. The local store in Toronto was Le Baron, they sold for about the same price as they did at Century international.
Who wouldn't be saving it for, collectors, historians, hey maybe we'll even see that long enough to become as collectible as a colt Patterson, or Civil War Henry rifle.
It's not a T.E. Lawrance SMLE, I think even his rifles to simply a battlefield pickup. As an officer he would not be issued with SMLE. The rifle in the Imperial war Museum, he is, could be, probably is, the rifle that he used in his campaign against the Turks.
Now you're ready John, this rifle won't be carried to the surf of Juno Beach. Article back in time of be dragged up the rocks at Monte Cassino or scoured the sandstorms in North Africa. Rifles left an original state will be treasured, admired and respected. Just like those who sell military parts, rifles, collectible memorabilia. Kind have to rely on collectors to spend the kind of money that they often have to pay from dealers.
It doesn't matter anyway, it just doesn't make sense to spend the kind of money on the collectible Lee Enfield No4Mk2, they were not really used in a combat role or nothing really significant in history. It's just a Lee Enfield, that's new, unused, and still in its original factory wrap. From a cost standpoint it makes absolutely no sense to buy a rifle that's nearly $1000 to unwrap it to make it into a rifle worth $600. That's the standpoint of a collector in Canada. Their ample opportunities to purchase an already unwrapped the Enfield. Already cleaned, ready to shoot. If someone wants to clean Cosmo enough rifles, unwrap them, etc. there are many mill surplus out there that are in greater numbers and cost a fraction of what this Lee Enfield does. Is
I guess from the standpoint of a collector, the viewpoint of one lesson the wrap, only makes the ones that are in collections, better set aside, admired, and appreciated. Will be worth a greater value at the end of the day because there's one less rapidly Enfield on the market.
My honest to God suggestions are the gold by an AIA Lee Enfield in 7.62x51mm. These rifles or equal value from a cost standpoint, we give one just as much enjoyment and satisfaction that the rifle that you're using is not a collector piece and that parts are available if you need. The loss of monetary value to the rifle, would be less overall.

Just my humble opinion.

Peter
 
I can also see your point of view. However I have not fired either of the unwrapped no4's so they are in the same condition as when they were wrapped. I have another 150+ that I can fire.

Now a funney one about knives. I heard this from anoher collector. A dealer wanted to have replicas of the M1880 riflemens knife made in Japan. He borrowed an original from a friend and sent it over. Now the japanese really wanted to make an authentic copy, SO THEY TOOK IT APART!:eek: Needless to say it cost the guy a bundle to find and buy a replacement for his friend.
 
If I remember correctly, they came in a sealed bag, not just wrapped in some brown wax paper seen in the picture.

AIA is not real LE nor does it have any collection value. More like a civvy imitation equivalent to a Chicom M305 passing up as a real US M14. Apple to orange if you ask me.
 
Now a funney one about knives. I heard this from anoher collector. A dealer wanted to have replicas of the M1880 riflemens knife made in Japan. He borrowed an original from a friend and sent it over. Now the japanese really wanted to make an authentic copy, SO THEY TOOK IT APART!:eek: Needless to say it cost the guy a bundle to find and buy a replacement for his friend.

Ohhhh my god.....! took it apart...wow. they do love detail.

Was it one of these?

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