Anschutz 1761, what calibre and stock ?

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I decided to fund another rimfire and this time is Anschutz.
I narrowed down to 1761. Now it comes down to calibre, barrel length, stock selection.
I am leaning towards 17 hmr since I have enough 22lr already. Is there any specific reason I should get 22 wmr as opposed to 17 hmr?
I like barrel not longer than 20”, ideally 18”
For stock, I like classic walnut looking but thumbhole looks interesting too. My only concern is thumbhole stock looks a bit cheaper.

My main usage of the rifle will be target shooting at about 200-300 yards.

Any inputs are welcomed.
 
Compared with the 22wmr, the 17hmr round drops less as distance increases. It drifts less with the wind, too. Neither of these magnum rimfire cartridges is available in match quality, so accuracy is not great.

The 22lr will drop more than either but will drift less than either.

The price for a box of 50 17hmr or 22wmr is about the same as for a box of top tier 22lr match ammo, that is $20 each or more.
 
JQIAN said:
I decided to fund another rimfire and this time is Anschutz.
I narrowed down to 1761. Now it comes down to calibre, barrel length, stock selection.
I am leaning towards 17 hmr since I have enough 22lr already. Is there any specific reason I should get 22 wmr as opposed to 17 hmr?
I like barrel not longer than 20”, ideally 18”
For stock, I like classic walnut looking but thumbhole looks interesting too. My only concern is thumbhole stock looks a bit cheaper.

My main usage of the rifle will be target shooting at about 200-300 yards.

Any inputs are welcomed.
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There are a few threads in other forums that complain about low quality Rimfire ammunition outside of 22LR. “The whole box at 100” and stuff like that. I wouldn’t do any Rimfire besides 22LR for accuracy. Check snipers hide.
 
grauhanen said:
Compared with the 22wmr, the 17hmr round drops less as distance increases. It drifts less with the wind, too. Neither of these magnum rimfire cartridges is available in match quality, so accuracy is not great.

The 22lr will drop more than either but will drift less than either.

The price for a box of 50 17hmr or 22wmr is about the same as for a box of top tier 22lr match ammo, that is $20 each or more.
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So you are saying go with 22lr?
I just feel bored with 22lr. I have or had more than 10 22lr rifles, now still have Cz, Vudoo, Henry .
Just want to try something new/different
 
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/barrels.html

The 1761 is a switch barrel design...Perhaps buy the 17HMR/22WMR and if it's not to your expectations, you could always replace it with a 22LR.

I've used (and preferred) classic style stocks for most of my life but I've got a 1761 Thumb Hole stock and I love it - Bit radical looking for my tastes but very versatile.
 
allan harris said:
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/barrels.html

The 1761 is a switch barrel design...Perhaps buy the 17HMR/22WMR and if it's not to your expectations, you could always replace it with a 22LR.

I've used (and preferred) classic style stocks for most of my life but I've got a 1761 Thumb Hole stock and I love it - Bit radical looking for my tastes but very versatile.
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ok sounds like 22lr 1761 thumbhole is in order then.
going to talk to the wife to get budget approved.
what about a scope? I recently put a nightforce nx8 on the vudoo, and love it. I want to try something different as well such as Zeiss conquest v4 6-24x50?
 
I've had a few scopes on my 1761 but finally settled for a Meopta Optika 6 in 4.5-27X50 SFP with the BDC3 reticle.

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Had I thought the the 1761 was a better rifle than the 1710, even though the 1710 was more $$$'s I may have chosen that route.
The 1710 D HB has a classic look.
The 1761 has a new look, a little cheaper but would require a new style and set of magazines . . . my Cooper mags are transferable.
In our 100 Metre Rimfire, Hunting rifle was less than 8 pounds, manufacturers specifications. The 1710 D HB is 7.93 lbs. was confirmed by my scale.
Any rimfire was allowed and the 17 HMR was never the winner until our first Championships.
The 17 HMR was split into its own class but as I review the results since, that one win was an anomaly.
While the 17 caliber bullets are jacketed, they are not match quality.
On a calm day, the 17's shine but they are more affected by wind.
At 200 metres, the 22 lr remains more predictable to wind changes. The shooters using the 17's at this range have a compounded problem with not being able to see their impacts.
I would be hard pressed to go to the magnums and don't see the advantage of the 1761 over the 1710 . . . in my opinion.



 
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Grantmac said:
If I had a Vudoo I wouldn't buy a 1761.
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I have never had enough 22lr. I just want to try different things.
Besides vudoo is really heavy , the barrel itself is about 5-ish lbs already.
I want my daughter to have experience of nice looking lightweight German made rifle
 
Grantmac said:
If I had a Vudoo I wouldn't buy a 1761.
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I've got a couple of Vudoos and a couple of 1710 DHB Classics - My 1761 is currently the most accurate rifle in the safe and more versatile to boot!

Some of the 22's I shoot head to head with the 1761 on a regular basis:

 
great, now I feel much less guilty to buy an Anschutz while owning a Vudoo.

allan harris said:
I've got a couple of Vudoos and a couple of 1710 DHB Classics - My 1761 is currently the most accurate rifle in the safe and more versatile to boot!

Some of the 22's I shoot head to head with the 1761 on a regular basis:

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allan harris said:
I've got a couple of Vudoos and a couple of 1710 DHB Classics - My 1761 is currently the most accurate rifle in the safe and more versatile to boot!

Some of the 22's I shoot head to head with the 1761 on a regular basis:

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Very nice collection indeed. I see your 1761 has a stainless barrel on it. Obviously it’s not an Anschutz barrel. What brand of barrel is it and was it a drop in or did you have to get a gunsmith to custom fit it.
 
Hunter7 said:
Very nice collection indeed. I see your 1761 has a stainless barrel on it. Obviously it’s not an Anschutz barrel. What brand of barrel is it and was it a drop in or did you have to get a gunsmith to custom fit it.
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No, I must confess this is far from a factory 1761 as it is pictured above - I started a thread on this project when I decided to go ahead and do it - All the info. is here:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2073121-Interesting-Times-with-the-Anschutz-1761
 
For sure, Allan; a very nice collection of 22's. Going to read that thread on the 1761 now. I really like the action; have one in MSR model.
 
Sometimes I feel like I have more than I need 22-wise....and then threads like this remind me there is room to grow. lol Here is my take on Anschutz in 22 vs. other rimfire calibers=per the other posts, there are no match-grade ammo options in 17HMR, even though the caliber tends to be inherently accurate. 22WMR-the situation is even worse. As far as I'm concerned, Anschutz=22LR. I'm also sure their 17HMRs are exceptional guns, but ammunition options will likely limit how much accuracy you can wring out of them.

JQIAN said:
I decided to fund another rimfire and this time is Anschutz.
I narrowed down to 1761. Now it comes down to calibre, barrel length, stock selection.
I am leaning towards 17 hmr since I have enough 22lr already. Is there any specific reason I should get 22 wmr as opposed to 17 hmr?
I like barrel not longer than 20”, ideally 18”
For stock, I like classic walnut looking but thumbhole looks interesting too. My only concern is thumbhole stock looks a bit cheaper.

My main usage of the rifle will be target shooting at about 200-300 yards.

Any inputs are welcomed.
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I'm not caffeinated enough yet to know whether I missed anyone else mentioning this^ comment, but while rimfire bullets can travel those distances, I believe they're VERY poorly suited to target shooting at those distances...and I don't think being behind an Anschutz when you do it will change the outcome by a whole lot. (vs the other options the OP has) $2Gs+ for a rifle (+ a scope/rings) to print ?-sized groups @ 300 yards? If they're just reactive targets like steel gongs, I could maybe see that..but if looking for accuracy, anything over 75-100 yards (to me) is the domain of centerfire calibers if you're chasing accuracy.

Depends on your goals, and definition of "accuracy". Sounds like fun either way! :)

OP-do you have/use calibers like .223? I'd be looking in that direction if set on those distances.
 
allan harris said:
I've got a couple of Vudoos and a couple of 1710 DHB Classics - My 1761 is currently the most accurate rifle in the safe and more versatile to boot!

Some of the 22's I shoot head to head with the 1761 on a regular basis:

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JQIAN said:
great, now I feel much less guilty to buy an Anschutz while owning a Vudoo.
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Don't jump the gun, so to speak.

While there should be no doubt the Anschutz 1761 is the best shooting among these rifles shown above, it's worth noting that it doesn't have the original Anschutz barrel. It's been rebarreled with a custom barrel. Allan Harris has posted about it previously in this forum. See https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...3121-Interesting-Times-with-the-Anschutz-1761

Anschutz barrels are among the best factory rifle barrels available. A good custom barrel -- not simply any custom barrel as they aren't all made equal -- with appropriate ammo selection can offer a performance improvement over an Anschutz barrel.

With regard to 17hmr and 22wmr calibers, the quality of Anschutz barrels will likely give an Anschutz in rimfire magnum offerings a leg up on many other rifles in those calibers. Nevertheless, the key shortcoming when it comes to target shooting at any distance is the complete absence of magnum rimfire match ammunition. This is the problem that makes it difficult for rimfire magnums to compete with .22LR when it comes to accuracy.

The OP refers to "target shooting at about 200 - 300 yards." When it comes to target shooting kind of "accuracy and precision" -- that is, putting shots into the smallest possible area precisely where they are supposed to go -- rimfire calibers, .22LR included, become increasingly challenged as distance increases. Between wind and air movement between shooter and target and ammo inconsistency including MV variation and other accuracy-limiting factors, it's hard to speak of target shooting type of accuracy and precision with rimfire at long distances.

At long distances, shooting to score hits on gongs and larger steel targets with .22LR is a discipline that may be quite different from what comes to mind with the term "target shooting" at distances no more than 200 yards, the maximum distance at which pre-PRS style shooting has been historically been done.
 
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