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Hi I'm having trouble with light strikes on a Match 64 I just acquired. Upwards of 3 out of 5 times. It's definitely not the ammo, it does it with both lapua "standard plus" and "magazine". The previous owner hadn't shot it in quite a few years so I soaked it in cleanner thinking it may have been gummed up, but it didn't help. Any ideas? New springs? New firing pin?
 
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It's a 1403. Comparing it to my 190 it seems the same or possibly SLIGHTLY lighter but it's hard to tell if there is enough tension on the spring. Firing ping looks about the same as on my 190 as well, I'm thinking the spring myself.
 
What about fabricating a spacer onto one end of the seat where the spring sits. This should give more tension on the spring.
This might give you the indication that you have a weak spring.
 
I have a 190 (wife uses) and a 1402a in the 64 action and the bolts are the same. Switch bolts for a few shots to see if the problem still exist? I get my springs from J N P and they are built a little heavier for less lock time.
 
It is jnpgunsprings.com, they have some great products besides trigger springs and match it up with great service.
If you don't want to switch bolts the springs are the same, just change them.
 
I used to get stuff from J&P but found out there is a lot of BS in their marketing. Their CZ 452/455 replacement spring is touted to be stronger than a stock one and it actually is 2 lb weaker. They claim their action screw replacement for the 455 has a correct head profile and it doesn't, its the same as the 452's. They are counting on pissed off customers not sending back scrap for a refund because they will be out $7, twice on shipping.
 
Strip the bolt and actually clean it. "Soaking" it likely did nothing but make it all wet with whatever you swilled onto it.

Powder residue gets everywhere, including into the firing pin channel and between the bolt body and the potion that acts as the hammer.

You pretty much need to scrub out any areas you can. A brass or stainless steel bristle 'toothbrush' is really handy for that. Pay particular attention to areas in the firing pin channel or passage, where the pin may abut up against parts of the bolt. Mung builds up and gets pounded nearly solid in spots like that.

If nothing else, stripping and actually cleaning the bolt will get you at any dried old oil that would not have been affected by simply getting it wet.

Clean it first, properly. Then, if it does not work correctly, start considering which parts might help.

Unless you really feel the need to throw money away...

Cheers
Trev
 
I used to get stuff from J&P but found out there is a lot of BS in their marketing. Their CZ 452/455 replacement spring is touted to be stronger than a stock one and it actually is 2 lb weaker. They claim their action screw replacement for the 455 has a correct head profile and it doesn't, its the same as the 452's. They are counting on pissed off customers not sending back scrap for a refund because they will be out $7, twice on shipping.

Guess you got ripped off??????

I have four CZ's and four Annie's and have ordered many times from Pete at J N P. All the replacement bolts had the hex head, are you saying you got the standard slotted head??
As for the springs there is no comparison, just have to look at them!

And as for the shipping @ $7, I have never got anything from them for $7, it has also been the standard $20, maybe a little more.

You must have been in the wrong country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne
 
Guess you got ripped off??????

I have four CZ's and four Annie's and have ordered many times from Pete at J N P. All the replacement bolts had the hex head, are you saying you got the standard slotted head??
As for the springs there is no comparison, just have to look at them!

And as for the shipping @ $7, I have never got anything from them for $7, it has also been the standard $20, maybe a little more.

You must have been in the wrong country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne

Wayne, they are simply dishonest in some of their marketing and products. For the 455 action screws CZ changed the angle on the lower side of the screw head to a standard 90 degree from the previous 120 degree screws that the 452 uses. They also changed the chamfer on the thin trigger guard to match this angle. Manufacturing tolerances on these are +2 degrees because it is important that they match... a 30 degree difference is a nightmare. J&P are claiming on their advertising that the new screws are correct on the underside yet they are simply the same old 452 head design. They are relying on would be buyers not knowing the difference, and even if they eventually find out, it costs them 12$ in shipping costs to get refunded for a $10 screw, that is pure BS. Worse than this, they made the screw heads to small in diameter and only a small sharp edge contacts the chamfer about half way on the diameter because of the angle difference....it deforms the chamfer over time and galls the metal with the poor fit. BTW, CZ will not honor a warranty replacement on the trigger guard from damage caused by this and they are aware of the mismatch. Here are a couple photos explaining the problem...
J&P 455 screw...
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CZ stock 455 screw...
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Lousy fit can be seen here...
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Another issue with the screws is that CZ uses a hexelobe (torx) drive because it is 30% more shallow than a hex drive, this allows the drive to fit in the head properly and allows the top to remain flush with the trigger guard. Torx is a licenced drive system which J&P did not want to pay for so they made the heads stick out of the top of the trigger guard, this is not very appealing, and its because they cant make a shallow head for a deep hex drive, not because they are making a stronger screw as they claim.

As for the springs, just read their advertising on the 452/455 replacement spring. It is hokey and BS. They claim their spring is 10% stronger. Its a 29 active coil (longer) spring made out of thinner wire than the stock CZ (26 coil). I had them both tested at a spring co. in Toronto and the CZ spring is stronger in its complete range of compression in the bolt.. At 1.5" compression (mid stroke) the CZ spring is 20.3 lbs, the J&P spring only comes in at 18.6 lbs. Also, silicon chrome (J&P) is only typically used on high heat applications like auto valve springs and ASTM spring steel is superior for several reasons over it.... http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=232087 Contrary to what J&P claims, neither spring will take a set over time, springs for these are made in a "preset condition", they are cycled a dozen times to full compression (closed coils) before shipping. Any extremely small loss in strength over time is called "residual creep" and it is less than 3% of the spring strength.

The CZ are over springed to begin with because the bolts are drilled for the striker in the same position for all calibers, 22LR, 22WMR and .17HMR. The magnums rim is .025" larger in diameter than 22LR so CZ moved the pin strike zone outwards to compensate. On 22 LR the pin actually hits off the edge of the rim slighly and ends up with a smaller footprint and also wasted energy going into the actual rims edge, than just inside it. Take a look at where the exit hole for the pin is on the bolt... it actually sits partly outside of the containment lip for the rim of the larger magnum round....
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The proper way to accurize the 452/455 for better ignition on the 22LR is reshaping the pin tip to get a larger footprint just inside the rims edge. This requires honing a 5 deg bias to the bottom of the pin tip. With this better location on the strike, a 14 lb spring can be put in. This lighter spring puts less impact into the rifle on a strike and reduces barrel vibration/movement before the bullet has exited. 22 LR only needs ~ .015 strike depth in the brass on Eley ammo and up to .018" on Lapua/CCI.
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Hi I'm having trouble with light strikes on a Match 64 I just acquired. Upwards of 3 out of 5 times. It's definitely not the ammo, it does it with both lapua "standard plus" and "magazine". The previous owner hadn't shot it in quite a few years so I soaked it in cleanner thinking it may have been gummed up, but it didn't help. Any ideas? New springs? New firing pin?

Update: Well I finally got the spring and got it installed and it's better but.......not perfect. I had 3-4 light strikes out of around 40 rounds. Now what? Any other ideas?
 
Re-read post 10, scrub it out, and go exploring with a dental pick or scrapers made to fit in to the grooves. Strong light, confirm bare metal with no hard packed mung.

If that has been done, take a close look at the firing pin for lost material as well as the back side of the bolt handle (the locking surface).

Anyone stoned the tip of the firing pin in accordance to their pet theory? With some due care a firing pin can be "stretched" by peening it along it's side to make it a wee bit longer, but it ca be overdone...



Cheers
Trev
 
Picked clean so to speak inside and outside the bolt and in the chamber as well. I might add that I have mic'd the firing pin between this M64 and my 190 and they are the same; as well this bolt works flawlessly in my 190 and the 190 bolt works in this m64. I wonder if it may be somehow related to the trigger.
 
Maybe trigger related, could there be interference from the sear dragging down the release of the firing pin at times? Did you try the M64 bolt in the 190 to see if you get the light strikes. Might have something to do with the sear not releasing from the trigger the way it should? Just trying to help you search for answers. Have you had a gunsmith look at it?
 
Maybe trigger related,

That was going to be my suggestion... I can't remember off hand how the trigger is held in place on the 64 action... But on the 54 action, when you loosen the two bolts that hold the trigger place, there's a little back-and-forth-wiggle room. If the trigger on the foremost position it will give you light-strike and missfire. While in the rearmost position, everything works as intended.

I know, cause my 54 was giving grief (changed the spring, firing pin), until a friend suggested I look at the trigger!
 
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