Anschutz Youth's Rifle

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Anyone know the age of this rifle? When and where they were marketed? What they sold for?

It is factory and unaltered (except the iron sights removed). 16 inch barrel, 12 inch length of pull, 5 shot magazine. It has an older 3/4 inch tube Redfield scope on it. White Beech wood stock stained brown.

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I bought it last week and it is going to be my grandson's first rifle.
 
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Take off the scope rings and take a picture of the stamp underneath just above the barrel breech. The stamp will tell you when the rifle was made and perhaps the model. Anshultz had re-incorporated and applied for trademarks six times prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall. The rifle was obviously made before 1989 because it is marked west Germany. Numbers seems too high for a 1960s or 1970s rifle. Based on what I could see of the magazine, trigger, trigger guard, stock and high serial number, I would venture to guess it is a youth rifle from the mid 1980s.

It was during the 1980's that the company went back to the stamped trigger and trigger guard because of cost savings. Stock looks pretty basic and I can't be certain if the youth model moved away from a butt plate or if your stock have been modified. In my wife's Anshultz' collection, it is the early models (1900 to 1914) that do not have a butt plate. Every other model that she has does, whether it is plastic, rubber or metal but she does NOT have a youth model.

Regardless, the barrel and action would still be match grade and up to the company's standards. Very nice rifle. I could see it being a family heirloom. Congrats.
 
Thanks.

No markings at all on top of the action anywhere... and the stock is factory, not altered. I have an inquiry with Anschutz about this rifle too. I will post their reply. I can not find anything about a youth rifle made with this action and this vintage.
 
It is a Flobert action repeater rifle, probably a Model 1400. CIL Industries imported Anschutz rifles to Canada beginning in the mid-sixties. If it is one of them, it would be a CIL Anschutz Model 125, the same as the 1400. I had a Model 125 which is shown in the photo below. For further identification assistance, you might wish to post the same information and photos on Rimfire Central, more specifically on its Anschutz forum.

 
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It is a Flobert action repeater rifle, probably a Model 1400. CIL Industries imported Anschutz rifles to Canada beginning in the mid-sixties. If it is one of them, it would be a CIL Anschutz Model 125, the same as the 1400. I had a Model 125 which is shown in the photo below. For further identification assistance, you might wish to post the same information and photos on Rimfire Central, more specifically on its Anschutz forum.

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Only thing is that if it was a CIL, it would be stamped CIL with the model number above the breech. All of our CIL's are anyways and on the barrel it would say Canada Industries Limited, Montreal, etc. etc. And the serial numbers on my CIL's from the 60's to 70's range from 490000 to 680000. My 1954 Anschutz repeater is serial number 98###. This was just prior to the 6th trademark and incorporation change and it is only marked Germany and not west Germany. However our CIL's are marked west Germany.

We have 22 Anschutz's in our collection but no "boy rifle". I think that Grauhanen is on the right track in that it is a rifle made for another company by Anschutz but instead of CIL, I think that it is a Savage Anschutz which would explain some of the design elements and the serial number. I do not have a Savage Anschutz (I know, what kind of collector are we!) so I can not compare. Savage is known for not stamping their rifles with their name. I can't really say because the ones I can remember seeing were higher end but still did not have the Savage name. I love a good mystery.
 
late 60's early70's is there a number in front of the proof mark on the left side of the barrel in front of the serial number?
 
Garaldtao said:
Only thing is that if it was a CIL, it would be stamped CIL with the model number above the breech. All of our CIL's are anyways and on the barrel it would say Canada Industries Limited, Montreal, etc. etc. And the serial numbers on my CIL's from the 60's to 70's range from 490000 to 680000. My 1954 Anschutz repeater is serial number 98###. This was just prior to the 6th trademark and incorporation change and it is only marked Germany and not west Germany. However our CIL's are marked west Germany.

We have 22 Anschutz's in our collection but no "boy rifle". I think that Grauhanen is on the right track in that it is a rifle made for another company by Anschutz but instead of CIL, I think that it is a Savage Anschutz which would explain some of the design elements and the serial number. I do not have a Savage Anschutz (I know, what kind of collector are we!) so I can not compare. Savage is known for not stamping their rifles with their name. I can't really say because the ones I can remember seeing were higher end but still did not have the Savage name. I love a good mystery.
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I'm looking at the photo of the rifle and am unable to see any of its stampings, be they Anschutz, CIL Anschutz, or something else. I'm simply saying that it looks like either an Anschutz Model 1400 or a CIL Anschutz Model 125. I am not aware of any Savage Anschutz rifles that look like the one in the OP's picture. The Savage Anschutz 184, also a Flobert, has a walnut stock with checkering.
 
looks like something from the 1400 line, anshutz made short runs of spare parts and also sold rifles to compete with the other low end mail order catalog offerings. There was so many changes and variations over the years and no real record keeping so finding information is tough, there is a couple of the wise old few left over on the RFC forums, but I've even seen them get stumped from time to time
 
These are the only markings on the barrel... between this photo and the other there are no other markings... it is not a CIL nor a Savage.

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Since approx. 1968 the year of manufacture is coded. The code for determining the age is as follows:
0=A; 1=B; 2=C; 3=D, 4=E; 5=F; 6=G; 7=H; 8=I/J; 9=K

So "IF" would indicate it was proofed in 1985.
 
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Anschutz had a model 184. In the US it was called the Woodchucker. Used the FlobertII action, the bolt handle being ahead or the trigger. Seems like a fairly short heavy barrel without irons. Odd concept for a youth gun.
 
My reply from Anschutz:
If you nevertheless need our help to determine the age of your ANSCHÜTZ rifle or pistol we will render this information for a fee.
The research on the age of a product needs a lot of time as we have a very large archive with many thousands of serial numbers and manufacturing data. For this reason we would ask you to understand that we have to invoice a small fee for this service.
We would charge you EUR 50,00 for the research on the age of a product.
If you are interested, please fill in the following form and pay the amount by credit card. We will then be pleased to carry out the research for you.
 
gaff said:
savage anschutz model 164 .
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What are you referring to? Certainly not the rifle I have posted pictures and a description of?

And it is not the Woodchucker model in the US although it is quite similar.
 
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ya it is a different model. try Anschutz woodchucker ,
mod 1449 / 1449D OR 1450 / 1450d
there is also eBay item 371888341878 article on the rifle.
 
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sillymike said:
Nice little rifle!
Our club used to have a bunch of Anschutz Achiever, same action in a target stock and some peep-sights.
As far as I know, they made at least until the mid-90's

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This isn't anything close to the rifle I described and pictured. Not the same bolt either.
 
grauhanen said:
Is there any reason to believe its not a Model 1400?
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Only that this has no model 1400 on it and the 1400 had a longer barrel and a different stock.. The action is probably the same as a 1400 though.

And it is similar but it is not a Woodchucker model which states "Woodchucker" on the action. That stamp is the only difference as far as I can tell.

My rifle was proof marked in 1985... the same era as Woodchuckers... I think it may simply be the 'same' production without the Woodchucker stamp, possibly for a country other than the USA.
 
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I don't see any of the photos posted, just a little blue box with a white question mark in the center. Don't re-post for my sake though, I'm no authority on Anschutz. lol
 
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