Antique Barn find in Mennonite owned property HELPPPP

[QM 8687]

It was an accurate Muzzle loading, 40 cal, HB, hunting rifle.

 

[Brutus]

For sure along the lines of an Allen underhammer rifle.
Probably hidden away under the bad ole days of WW2 when so called 'undesireables' were forbidden ownership of private firearms.

 

[marshall]

Frank Wesson? I haven't looked, but seen to remember that shape with his name on it, Maybe?
I see E. Allen mentioned, could be.

 

[chasseur]

To me the trigger guard looks wrong as it looks like it was for set triggers or maybe it came off of a muzzle loading shotgun.I figure the trigger guard might be a replacement

It s not a Wesson style muzzleloader as they looked something like my Renner sporting rifle with a Wesson style box lock action

 

[derek2007]

What would be a good start if I were to post this up for sale and let someone else take over?

 

[Ipscshooters]

Great find, I've yet to find a firearm ever in my entire life, thought I would after 20 years of renovations

 

[cdnrokon]

Mowrey muzzle loader missing guts and hammer stored in very wet poor conditions

 

[Can-down]

Stock angle looks correct.....

 

[skwerl]

advice

I never have handled one, but was warned to put a rod down muzzle until it stops - mark rod at muzzle and then compare on outside of barrel - unbelievably, those old muzzle loaders are sometimes found still loaded!!!!

Xlnt advice , I would never have thought of that.

 

[cdnrokon]

If you google Ethan Allen Mowery Rifle and search the images you will see what you have... some were made with a very heavy barrel such as yours with a round profile at the muzzle end to take a bullet starter.
Not overly common up in Canada but yours is far past restoration.. hang it on the wall or sell it for parts.

 

[tiriaq]

A Mowry was a modern reproduction of the Allen & Thurber, so of course a Mowry looks like an A&T. If this piece is a Mowry, it is most remarkably neglected. One would have to work at it to produce that level of neglect.
The A&T used iron sand castings. The Mowry used modern investment castings. Look at the interior surfaces of the frame and sideplate. Which technology was used?

 

[powderman]

To me the trigger guard looks wrong as it looks like it was for set triggers or maybe it came off of a muzzle loading shotgun.I figure the trigger guard might be a replacement

It s not a Wesson style muzzleloader as they looked something like my Renner sporting rifle with a Wesson style box lock action

Allen rifles came in many styles. Some like the Mowry, some like your Renner, as well as some others, and I'll bet some yet to be discovered.

Regards

 

[DANCESWITHEMPTIES]

My money would go on it being an Allen & Thurber. They built a wide array of rifles for the common man right on up to stuff like this:

www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-...oading-sidehammers-made-.cfm?gun_id=101400709

 

[409]

Can't add anymore to what has already said about the identification,however it most certaintly can be restored. Just a matter of time and money. I have done worst.