Antique database - proofmarks, serials, and other info.
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Thanks Ardent
. That's appreciated.So I made a mistake when editing my photobucket and deleted a couple of albums. I got it fixed but if any pics aren't showing please let me know.
A great idea for sure. Easier references for researching a gun is always appreciated.
Here's a link that may help you or someone else out as well:
http://www.nramuseum.org/gun-info-research.aspx
Here's a link that may help you or someone else out as well:
http://www.nramuseum.org/gun-info-research.aspx
i know someone will find this useful
From the shipping book of Waffenfabrik Bern
Years and serials of the military 1882 Swiss revolver variants;
1888 1411-1900
1889 1901-2100
1890 2101-2600
1891 2601-2900
1892 2901-3687
1893 3688-3887 /4001-4100
1894 3888-4000 /4101-4400
1895 4401-5500
1896 5501-6894
1897 6895-7508
From the shipping book of Waffenfabrik Bern
Years and serials of the military 1882 Swiss revolver variants;
1888 1411-1900
1889 1901-2100
1890 2101-2600
1891 2601-2900
1892 2901-3687
1893 3688-3887 /4001-4100
1894 3888-4000 /4101-4400
1895 4401-5500
1896 5501-6894
1897 6895-7508
here is some info about 9,4 mm dutch service revolver. this will tell you how to tell the difference between the original antique and later English Vickers made gun which is not classed antique in canada.
In 1891 a smaller and lighter revolver designed by Captain F W H Kuhn was adopted for the KNIL and J F J Bar were contracted to supply the parts, to be finished and assembled at the Small Arms Arsenal in the Netherlands. The first guns were finished by the end of 1894 and delivered in 1895. The total production numbered 3754.
In 1909 it was found that more guns were needed, but Bar no longer made arms, and the contract was placed with L Wittich for a further 2200 guns.
In 1919 it was decided to equip the Field Police with M91 revolvers and in 1920 the Colonial Ministry placed an order through the Dutch represntatives of the British arms company, Vickers. In fact it appears that the parts for these guns were not actually made by Vickers, but organised by them - using smaller firms based in and around Birmingham as suppliers. This may be the explanation for the quality of the product (Vickers had a reputation for weapons manufacture) which proved to be unacceptable, and the guns were sent to Fabrique National in Belgium for refinishing, finally reaching the Dutch East Indies in 1922.
The standard model had an overall length of 9" and a barrel length of 4.5"
These guns, numbering 5830 are known as Vickers guns and are identifiable by the crowned W stamp on the right side of the frame in front of the cylinder, and by the shape of the shallow recess (to accomodate the end of the loading gate) above the right grip (on Vickers guns it has a rounded profile).
Some guns that showed an adverse reaction to the introduction of Smokeless powder also had a reinforcing section added to the top of the recoil shield
http://www.coreden-sterling.co.uk/page10.html
In 1891 a smaller and lighter revolver designed by Captain F W H Kuhn was adopted for the KNIL and J F J Bar were contracted to supply the parts, to be finished and assembled at the Small Arms Arsenal in the Netherlands. The first guns were finished by the end of 1894 and delivered in 1895. The total production numbered 3754.
In 1909 it was found that more guns were needed, but Bar no longer made arms, and the contract was placed with L Wittich for a further 2200 guns.
In 1919 it was decided to equip the Field Police with M91 revolvers and in 1920 the Colonial Ministry placed an order through the Dutch represntatives of the British arms company, Vickers. In fact it appears that the parts for these guns were not actually made by Vickers, but organised by them - using smaller firms based in and around Birmingham as suppliers. This may be the explanation for the quality of the product (Vickers had a reputation for weapons manufacture) which proved to be unacceptable, and the guns were sent to Fabrique National in Belgium for refinishing, finally reaching the Dutch East Indies in 1922.
The standard model had an overall length of 9" and a barrel length of 4.5"
These guns, numbering 5830 are known as Vickers guns and are identifiable by the crowned W stamp on the right side of the frame in front of the cylinder, and by the shape of the shallow recess (to accomodate the end of the loading gate) above the right grip (on Vickers guns it has a rounded profile).
Some guns that showed an adverse reaction to the introduction of Smokeless powder also had a reinforcing section added to the top of the recoil shield
http://www.coreden-sterling.co.uk/page10.html
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Webley and Sons company stamp. Below is one of several company stamps for Webley and Sons. Important to note the hollow base to the winged bullet. Webley & Scott used a solid base winged bullet (and probably others) sigificants is that all guns with the winged mini ball are pre 1898 and the Webley and Sons joined became Webley and Scott prior to 1898 (I forget the year but in the mid 1890s)
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Webley and Sons company stamp. Below is one of several company stamps for Webley and Sons. Important to note the hollow base to the winged bullet. Webley & Scott used a solid base winged bullet (and probably others) sigificants is that all guns with the winged mini ball are pre 1898 and the Webley and Sons joined became Webley and Scott prior to 1898 (I forget the year but in the mid 1890s)
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The logo was not changed 100% across the board to the flat base bullet. Here is a winged minnie from a 1905 MKIV for the South African Service
