Antique Firearm Status Determination Flowchart

What’s this update you are referring to? For whatever reason your pictures won’t open and I’m confused as to what you’re getting at for caliber conversions.

From my knowledge (for antique handguns, rifles are different in this regard) as long as it was originally chambered in a caliber that’s not on the bad list you can convert it to another caliber not on the bad list and you’re fine. But if it was chambered in a bad list caliber from the factory than no matter what caliber change its still restricted

For example, colt thunderer made in 41lc from the factory can be converted to .38 special and have it remain antique as .38 special isn’t on the bad list. However if it was originally in 38 long colt even if you had it rechambered to 41lc it will never be antique

For rifles the law doesnt state the same rules and I actually argued with the firearms center on this and won. For rifles if it’s old enough and the bore is large enough (no magazine or repeating rifles) then it’s antique even if it was originally made in a bad caliber

For example I had a martini mk6 in 45-70 made in 1889 i believe so it was antique. They tried to say since it was originally made in .303(bore too small) that it couldn’t be antique regardless of bore size. I argued it and showed them their own rules and after a couple months I won and got my antique frt.

Those pricks just say whatever they want, do your own research and put them into their place.

All that to say again what is the update your referring to in the OP?
 
Radiohead said:
I am new to firearms. What does it mean if an antique handgun doesn't need to be licensed?

Does it mean it doesn't require an ATT?
Does it mean it can be generally fired on crownland?
Does it mean that I don't need a RPAL to own and shoot an antique handgun?

Anything else I missed?
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If it is an antique, No PAL required to purchase, No requirement to register, and No ATT required. On the RCMP website it is suggested that if it's a pistol, it be stored and transported as if it were a restricted firearm. An antique pistol may be discharged anywhere it's legal to discharge a non-restricted firearm. An antique pistol may be worn or carried in an openly displayed manner. Under a coat or jacket and you can be liable for "carrying a concealed weapon" charge. If you say, "but that makes no sense", welcome to Canada. I was speaking to a cop buddy of mine and theoretically, I could walk downtown Toronto with an antique pistol in a holster on my hip and not be charged with a firearms offense. That said, he told me I could be charged with creating a disturbance, being a public menace, assault, etc. etc.
 
LawrenceN said:
If it is an antique, No PAL required to purchase, No requirement to register, and No ATT required. On the RCMP website it is suggested that if it's a pistol, it be stored and transported as if it were a restricted firearm. An antique pistol may be discharged anywhere it's legal to discharge a non-restricted firearm. An antique pistol may be worn or carried in an openly displayed manner. Under a coat or jacket and you can be liable for "carrying a concealed weapon" charge. If you say, "but that makes no sense", welcome to Canada. I was speaking to a cop buddy of mine and theoretically, I could walk downtown Toronto with an antique pistol in a holster on my hip and not be charged with a firearms offense. That said, he told me I could be charged with creating a disturbance, being a public menace, assault, etc. etc.
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I guarantee you they will just take your gun. Charge you with something. Take you years and a lot of money to ever get it back someday with a court order.
 
I read somewhere that you can safely load and fire .32 S&W out of the Swiss revolvers. I don't personally know it that's correct, being an old fart and of the mind that you should only shoot the cartridge that your firearm is designed for. If that is is the case, I assume the pistol still qualifies as "antique" status since the original chambering has not been altered and the fact that another cartridge can be safely fired out of the pistol is a non issue.
 
Wow I feel retarded, the original post on this is not in this decade, oops.

So my understanding on caliber changes is probably the change he was referring to ten plus years ago
 
does anyone know of a good place to start collecting older items? i am just starting out and have about 50 items that are not rifles etc. curious if anyone has any good tips even on bulk purchasing
 
LawrenceN said:
I read somewhere that you can safely load and fire .32 S&W out of the Swiss revolvers. I don't personally know it that's correct, being an old fart and of the mind that you should only shoot the cartridge that your firearm is designed for. If that is is the case, I assume the pistol still qualifies as "antique" status since the original chambering has not been altered and the fact that another cartridge can be safely fired out of the pistol is a non issue.
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You are correct. In Switzerland owners of the Swiss M1882 and 1929 revolvers usually use .32 S&W Long in their revolvers because the 7.5mm Swiss Ordnance is impossible to find. The 1882/29 revolvers were proofed for black powder though. Since the 7.5mm Swiss is not on the list of exempt calibers, it's an antique if the serial number is below 7509. What you squeeze into it as ammo, is your choice. Same goes for the Merwin, Hulbert & Co. medium frame double action. The longer cylinder is considered a distinct caliber - .32 M&H although it's identical to a .32 S&W, and it's antique. The shorter cylinder has been determined to be a 32 S&W even though it doesn't say so on the gun, and is not considered antique. Confusing, I know...
The Webley No 5 Army is chambered in such a way that it can take just about any .45 cartridge - .450, .455, .476 and .45 Long Colt. If it says .45 LC or .45 Long on the gun, it's not an antique, if it doesn't, it's an antique. Even though it's the same caliber and cylinder, and will take a 45 LC regardless of the labelling.
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samthetechman said:
does anyone know of a good place to start collecting older items? i am just starting out and have about 50 items that are not rifles etc. curious if anyone has any good tips even on bulk purchasing
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Old Guns Canada has been very good to me and Chris is a font of great information. I'm not a fan of Antique Guns Canada having had some less than stellar transactions with them. Depending where you are, local gun shows can be great and ####### has has a whole pile of good (and not so good) antique status pistols. I don't know about Town Post but they seem to be mostly out west anyway. Depending on your budget and your interests, there are pistols from $600. to $26,000. Oh to win the lottery!
 
LawrenceN said:
Old Guns Canada has been very good to me and Chris is a font of great information. I'm not a fan of Antique Guns Canada having had some less than stellar transactions with them. Depending where you are, local gun shows can be great and ####### has has a whole pile of good (and not so good) antique status pistols. I don't know about Town Post but they seem to be mostly out west anyway. Depending on your budget and your interests, there are pistols from $600. to $26,000. Oh to win the lottery!
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thats right, i do find that this is a really tough market to crack because so much of it is emotion based... i will try those out, thanks for replying to me, truly :)
 
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