Antique / Prohibited?

[sportee]

Looking at the definition of antique firearms there seems to be a little bit if a grey area (maybe just not well explained) on the other hand maybe im just not understanding it completely. If a 31cal cap and ball pistol was made in the 1860's and the barrel length is 3 1/2 " is it considered an antique or does the barrel length make it prohibitted?

 

[tiriaq]

Its an antique. Because it uses loose powder and ball, calibre and barrel length are irrelevant. One of the little S&W .22 short revolvers from the 1860s, is prohib. A similar Smith in .32 rf is antique.

 

[sportee]

how bout an 1896 mauser broom handle? the 9mm para is not one of the listed cartridges.

 

[rodagra]

how bout an 1896 mauser broom handle? the 9mm para is not one of the listed cartridges.

If you can actually find a '96 Broomhandle that was manufactured before 1898 you'll be (relatively) rich. Proving d.o.m. can be dicey too, and "I think it's antique just ain't good enough.

 

[rickruddell]

Weren't all the pre-1898 broomhandles in 7.63? Here are some production dates for broomhandles - you have to find a pretty low serial number - but someone on the board here last year had one.

http://www.g6csy.net/c96/database.html

(Can't guarantee the accuracy of the serial numbers).

Rick

 

[david doyle]

The danger with the broom handle dating is that new serial number runs were often started for batches produced for different clients. You can find realtively late production arms with very low serial numbers.

As for the market, like Rodagra says the market is pricey. A canadian dealer recently sold one in exc cond for 5 gs a while ago and a Gunsmith in washington sold a lined rebuild antique last winter for 3500USD.

 

[Claven2]

A pre-97 cone-hammer Broomhandle C96 in 7.63 is an antique, and it's also a rare collectible worth several thousand dollars regardless of its antique status. Good luck finding and affording one.

 

[sportee]

Here's another one. 32 rimfire 4 shot Remington Elliot. made 1863-1888. now that we know that barrel length isnt an issue, what about the .32cal issue?

 

[rodagra]

Here's another one. 32 rimfire 4 shot Remington Elliot. made 1863-1888. now that we know that barrel length isnt an issue, what about the .32cal issue?

Rimfire, therefore not an issue.

 

[sportee]

Does the antique exemption apply to antique ammunition as well? For example 32 rimfire? 38 rimfire?

 

[guess_kto]

Does the antique exemption apply to antique ammunition as well? For example 32 rimfire? 38 rimfire?

I don't know... but it looks like you still need PAL as it's ammunition...

 

[Urban]

u need a PAL for all ammunition.
Its antique if its pre 1898 and in a caliblre thats not excluded on 'the list'.
BBL doesnt matter.

 

[peckerwood]

Perhaps one of these days we can sticky the SOR 98 464 for everyone to see the moment they come into the Antiques board



But in the mean time:

Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms

SOR/98-464

Registration 16 September, 1998

CRIMINAL CODE

Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms

P.C. 1998-1664 16 September, 1998

His Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions "prescribed"a and "antique firearm"a in subsection 84(1) and to subsection 117.15(1)a of the Criminal Code, hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms.

a S.C. 1995, c. 39, s. 130

REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING ANTIQUE FIREARMS

PRESCRIPTION

1. The firearms listed in the schedule are antique firearms for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition "antique firearm" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.

COMING INTO FORCE

2. These Regulations come into force on December 1, 1998. SOR/98-472, s. 3.

SCHEDULE
(Section 1)
BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS

1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897.

RIFLES

2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine.

SHOTGUNS

4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges.

HANDGUNS

6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

 

[nessy357]

Thanks peckerwood, that's a good idea.

Cheers nessy.

 

[eos]

The most absurd recent example of the contradictions afforded by our laws is a pre 1898 SAA in .32-20 presently at Epps and classified by caliber as prohibited.