antique webley
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KotKotofeich
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Your gun was sold at the CFC
https://store.theshootingcentre.com/webley-antique-kaufmann-revolver-450-cf-4-75-barrel-ser-902/
How do you not know what it is?
It _is_ unusual with the round barrel, but I don't know how that could have come to be. Custom order or experimental? Or modification? The upper is reblued so someone coild have gotten a little ambitious with a belt sander...
https://store.theshootingcentre.com/webley-antique-kaufmann-revolver-450-cf-4-75-barrel-ser-902/
How do you not know what it is?
It _is_ unusual with the round barrel, but I don't know how that could have come to be. Custom order or experimental? Or modification? The upper is reblued so someone coild have gotten a little ambitious with a belt sander...
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what are u smokeing there bud. u have not answered my question, what model is this???? this barrel and cylinder #,s match and the blueing
is a differant color than the frame. this was a replacement. the bore is factory. the rifleing is not groove and lands. it has 7 thin small thread
ribs. i wanted this for it to be a shooter. the bore is .452. the cylinder looks like the bullet end has been reamed and it mikes out at .463. WTF.
what are my chances of finding a mark 1 cylinder unaltered and have it fit. speer and hornady both make .454 soft lead round ball that weigh
141 grains. i shoot rd ball 122 grain in my reichsrevolver with unique and the clock at average 765. the recoil is like a 22 rimfire mag.
so the grip is not original, so collector value. or sell for parts??? or sleve it to 22 WRM????
CSC called it a Webley-Kaufmann. Isn't that the model?
What do you mean that the rifling is not lands and grooves but has 7 thin small thread ribs? 7 narrow lands, 7 wide grooves?
Is the cylinder original to the gun? Looks to be the same colour as the frame. The cylinder has been altered at the front end? Reamed to .463? What about the breech end? What are the chambers like? Do they chamber .450CF cartridges? Reamed straight through?
Any reason to believe that a Mk. I cylinder would fit?
What do you mean that the rifling is not lands and grooves but has 7 thin small thread ribs? 7 narrow lands, 7 wide grooves?
Is the cylinder original to the gun? Looks to be the same colour as the frame. The cylinder has been altered at the front end? Reamed to .463? What about the breech end? What are the chambers like? Do they chamber .450CF cartridges? Reamed straight through?
Any reason to believe that a Mk. I cylinder would fit?
KotKotofeich
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What I linked is literally the sale ad for your gun. Same serial same everything.
So you didn't buy it from them?
Your question as to what gun this is, is answered in the ad. Either way, you have some hard questions to ask from whoever sold it to you.
These guns _are_ comparatively rare even if this one is in a poor state. There may be some demand for parts, but hard to say.
The rifling as you describe is original with the narrow lands. The WG that this is the predecessor of has the same.
Just go buy a Webley mkI or 2 or 3 if you are looking for a shooter. Converting this to 22mag (well) will run you more.
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KotKotofeich
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Not without some extensive gunsmithing. MkI cylinder won't even fit a WG and this is before that.
I don't know how old this ad is, this gun has taken some strange paths it would appear
OK!!! this is my first webley. the research i did before was google webley wich was a wide paint brush. i just did a webley kaufmann
and this painted a complete picture. the mechanics on this peice are excellent. i saw where one sold at an auction and it came with a spare
cylinder. does a mark 1 cylider look like this?? i thought all webleys were mark 1 and up. wrong. so M kaufmann was only there from
1878 to 1881 this would of been a good shooter with a factory like bore. speer and hornady both make soft lead round balls .454 and
thats what i was going to use. i shoot round ball in my reichsrevolver and they shoot great . thank for your help gentleman.
KotKotofeich
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The cylinder itself, very generally, yes, but dimensions are off and the extractor mechanism is totally different. And they are not drop in, they were hand fitted and a new cylinder would need to be timed.
If you have unlimited funds I'm sure a cylinder can be fitted or even manufactured. But if you are on a budget, you'll do better buying a Webley service mkI or later.
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yes u got one?????
NikolaiBorjeski
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Will a MKI and up cylinder fit a Webley-Kaufmann revolver? No, definitely not.
If I'm reading this right the cylinder has been reamed and will no longer accept the correct brass? If that's the case then your best bet will be to find what brass it has been modified to fit and simply use that. If you're dead set on using the correct brass then it'd be possible to have each chamber sleeved and remachined back to spec, but it's unlikely you'd find a machinist that would take on the liability.
That being said if you're looking for a shooter you're better off finding a Webley MKI, MKII, or derivative of them. Your revolver is a very cool and collectible piece but it's not necessarily a good shooter.
If I'm reading this right the cylinder has been reamed and will no longer accept the correct brass? If that's the case then your best bet will be to find what brass it has been modified to fit and simply use that. If you're dead set on using the correct brass then it'd be possible to have each chamber sleeved and remachined back to spec, but it's unlikely you'd find a machinist that would take on the liability.
That being said if you're looking for a shooter you're better off finding a Webley MKI, MKII, or derivative of them. Your revolver is a very cool and collectible piece but it's not necessarily a good shooter.
MosinMan13
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Okay call me crazy here but I once read on another forum about guys crimping 45 ACP to .463 something about combustion, way over my head. Anyways you said it looked bored out? I’m just wondering, that number jumped out at me and seems awfully coincidental. Either way i wouldn’t mess around too much with whatever you have there, much better off to take it to whoever sold it to you and try and work something out.
MosinMan13
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Also just because I love me a good mystery, and I’m pretty proficient at Google. I found this old thread
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/webley-cylinder-throat-vs-bore-size.371729/
Is this what you’re describing? Because from what I can find online, it sounds like this is a relatively common thing, and I guess where I struggle is how you wrote it, it sounds like you’ve said the bore is in spec, just the one mouth of the cylinder tapers out, which sounds like the above link and backs up with a lot of other searched references.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/webley-cylinder-throat-vs-bore-size.371729/
Is this what you’re describing? Because from what I can find online, it sounds like this is a relatively common thing, and I guess where I struggle is how you wrote it, it sounds like you’ve said the bore is in spec, just the one mouth of the cylinder tapers out, which sounds like the above link and backs up with a lot of other searched references.
thanks. like i stated, the barrel bore is like factory new and with calpers is .452. there is not much of a forcing cone into the barrel.
whe brass end of the cylider is ok. the bullet end of the cylinder should be around the same as the bore diameter and in this case
the forcing cone has been reamed out to .463. i,m guessing that it was reamed out to use 45 colt brass witch is quite long. i don,t
have any 45 colt brass to check out my hunch.
MosinMan13
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If you read the thread in the link provided and do a little searching/asking around it sounds like that is normal for WG Webleys and I assume their similar counterparts.
45LC would be far too long and as I understand 45 acp involves shaving the cylinder so that would also be a tell sign.
Like mentioned I would investigate more because from the little reading I did, I was able to determine that your revolver is probably in spec, and that nothing was done to it. I would recommend you even message one of the members in that linked thread, and keep posting here, because someone has to be better versed who can confirm or not. This isn’t something you want to jump to conclusion with.
