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hello i am interested in mostly antuque firearms, im currently living in manitoba,
i have been told by several people that antuque percussion and flintlock guns require no licence and a allowed to shoot with out a licence , but also that newly made flintlock guns are allowed without a licence.

and so are pistol kits, .
is this correct, also what is the regulations about importing from the u.s. flintlock guns both new and antique.
 
ausjulius said:
i have been told by several people that antuque percussion and flintlock guns require no licence and a allowed to shoot with out a licence , but also that newly made flintlock guns are allowed without a licence.

and so are pistol kits, .
is this correct,
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CC84 1(a) says that original muzzle loaders are antiques rifle, pistol, or shotgun. CC 84 1(b) plus SOR 98-464 includes modern flintlock and matchlock long guns but not handguns and not percussion guns. CC84 3 says they are exempt from registration and are not firearms unless used in a crime. You still have to store them as if they were modern.

cheers mooncoon
 
sunray said:
Go here. http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/antique_e.asp
The U.S. does not consider any muzzleloader to be a firearm. You'd have to pay duty, taxes, etc. It's not worth the bother to import new BP firearms though.
Real antiques are another story. Antique lever actions are firearms, but muzzle loaders are not.
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Lever guns as long as they are of the non standard cal single shot, and antique are legal without all the freedom killing registration, like the martini henry.

goes for rolling blocks, and sneider conversions.

Cheers
 
thanks , and what of pin fire guns?
are they considered a weapon or are they free to own, and what if one were to shoot them..
also old rim fires are 25cal and 32 caliber, and velodog pistols, in the odd .219 caliber centerfire round are they classed as a weapon or as a antique?


as to match locks.. this facinates me somewhat also, is there anyone selling kits for them? or compleat guns?

also what is the best place to purchase secound hand flintlocks on line or any canadian gun auction site to purchase them?
also is there a good place to purchase new guns and kit guns with a good range..

also are you allowed to shoot these guns and hunt with them without a licence?
 
aharr, ok so i read the laws, and these apply to every province??
so one could own and shoot an old martini henry or a pin fire shotgun,
or an old single shot trapdoor in 45/70, single shot 11mm mauser or other such guns aslong as ther eis no magazine?
so does that include the .303 caliber matinis?

also what about antique guns tht are chamibered in newer rounds some time in the past,, such as a martini cadet in 32/20 or something like this..
in if the conversion was done well in the past..

or what about a newly made 9mm rimfire shotgun?? or a 7mm or 6mm flober postol, or rifle?
and what about a piniture purcussion parlour pistol that is of new make , like the pedisoli copy of the remington they have out now?

and also what about making your own guns shooting led pellets fired from primers or percussion caps or small nail gun cartrages?? for indoor shooting, as there classed as firearms as they are modernly made.. but with little or not lethal power..

i knwo it is alot of questions, but the laws look very unclear .. so i am ofcorse interested in what is free and what is not.
i particulary like the flobert guns as they can be shot inside and are realy quite safe, bvut if it is a newly made flobert, i do wounder if it is classed as a firearm..
 
To simplify here goes, 303 is a modern available mag, so thats a no/no without the registry, I dont know about the mauser.
As far as needle guns go I think there ok as long as there is no magasine, but how the heck does one hand load those things...It would be very challenging "that could bring alot of joy in itself"

ALL modern made pistols are restricted,unless its a origional...Thats not to say you cannot build yourself a flinter kit pistol...Just dont drill the touchhole, doing so creates a immediate restricted arm...Though I dont think I have ever heard of one used in a violent crime for at least 250 or so years....

Long arm flintlocks are alot of fun to both build and shoot, I like them alot.
They really make shooting into a art.

I myself am presently studying matchlocks, looks like fun to me..
I would try to scratch build it around a new smoothbored barell, and try to hand make the lock.

Cheers
 
The Definition of an Antique
The Criminal Code defines antique firearms as:

firearms manufactured before 1898 that were not designed or re-designed to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition, or
firearms prescribed as antique firearms in the Criminal Code regulations. These are:
Black Powder Reproductions:
of flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearms, other than handguns, manufactured after 1897; (All other reproductions must be registered and owners must have a firearm licence to possess them. For example, reproductions of percussion cap muzzle-loading firearms like American Civil War Enfield and Springfield rifles will be considered firearms and not antiques.)
Rifles:manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges (whether with a smooth or rifled bore), have a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine
Shotguns:
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28, or 410 gauge cartridges
Handguns:
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson; 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges
Licensing and Registration Requirements
If you own only antique firearms you do not need to:

get a firearms licence; or
register any of your antique firearms.

An antique rifle must be a rimfire (other than the common .22) or have a bore greater than 8.3mm.
"also are you allowed to shoot these guns and hunt with them without a licence?" Yes, without a PAL. You will need a hunting licence.
 
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indeed.

so one questions i do have is about airguns,, i understnd a airgun firing a projectile of a speed more than 450 fps (ugg tht is rather feeble) is allowed without a licence but over this speed requires one??
what about energy produced??
also are flobert guns allowed without a licence??
if you are not familiar with these they are very week guns producing about the power of a .bb or small airgun they are for indoor trget shooting,, many antuqies an be found but in europe they are still produced in several nations .. they have no lethal power.. are these allowed as airguns or classed as firerms, in europe these are not classed as firearms..
 
airguns over 450 fps are firearms and are supposed to be registered. There is also an energy rating for the projectile but in joules and who knows what the hell they are.
Floberts would almost certainly be modern based on energy and velocity. They will go right through a rabbits head at 25 yards. HOWEVER they are not a named cartridge which means that in a pistol made before 1898 and chambered for them but not for .22 short, the pistol does not have to be registered. A pre 1898 rifle chambered in the .22 Flobert would not have to be registered as long as it would not chamber a .22 short. Most Zimmerbuchsen are exempt for that reason.

cheers mooncoon
 
I believe airguns are 500fps and over.And they make them in PCP's in .50 cal that will handle deer and boar.................Harold
 
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