Any Colt 1911 experts that can tell me what's changed on this gun?

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Hi,


Can anyone tell me what this Colt 1911 70 Series Gold Cup National Match has changed on it from its original state? It was produced in 1979.

I can't seem to find anything exactly like it online, so I think it's been modified. The trigger, beavertail, ambi safety, hammer, maybe grips too? Which parts would be original colts, or how can I tell?

If it has been changed, would it have required any filing or anything else that would be considered damage from a collector's point of view?


Thanks in advance,
Pitchwite


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I don't know anything about guns. I'm very new to this world, so I don't think I would know what's different to be very honest.
 
No parts were changed internally. It’s still a series 70 internally. Front and rear sight, trigger, grip and marking are updated to modern cosmetic. The major change is the rear sight.
If one thing, it’s build on modern tooling.
This model was introduced in the 50´s
This is the current model:
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Hey Janeau, Thanks for the reply.

It looks like the beavertail curves up and has a safety on both sides which isn't normal. And the hammer is rounded (I think it's called a spur type). Even the trigger looks different.

Are those not changed?

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The trigger may be original GC with the trigger stop screw removed. Look for a hole in the rear of the trigger lined up to butt on the magazine catch. The rear sight may be original too - look for an "Elliason" stamp on an original GC rear sight.

Looks like the frame hasn't been cut for the beavertail safety which is a major bonus for originality.
 
Sights, trigger, safety, slide stop, beaver tail, hammer, grips... just from looking externally, probably everything else internally if the previous owner did that much to it.
 
I don’t know if this a good thing or bad thing for value. I paid about $1700 before taxes thinking it was original because I’m a noob. But after researching it, it looks like maybe this stuff isn’t bad. It’s not like it’s an early 1900s collectible, although I was still hoping this was original.

Thanks for the info you guys!
 
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Sights, trigger, safety, slide stop, beaver tail, hammer, grips... just from looking externally, probably everything else internally if the previous owner did that much to it.
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This, plus the picture looks strange , out of focus on the front end of the slide, next to dust shield strange.
Think the rear site could be right, what does it say on it ,anything?
all the controls are aftermarket.
Original barrel will have NM on it
 
Hey Marshall.

This is the stock photo from the site. I haven't seen it in person and won't for about 4 months lol.

I was trying to research what type of series 70 it was, but I started noticing all these differences and so I just wondered if any gun smiths knew anything. It actually looks like a lot of these changes are common upgrades, but I'm worried that they might have had to file some parts down, and that the original parts don't come with the gun. I'm sure I can buy original replacement parts online somewhere. But nonetheless I think these are probably good additions. The gun looks good actually, so I'm not complaining. Would you pay $1700 + tax for it?

When it comes in I'll do a video on it and upload it somewhere. I plan to start doing some videos of the pistols I've collected. I'll look for the "NM" too.

Cheers,
Pitchwite
 
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Hey Marshall.

This is the stock photo from the site. I haven't seen it in person and won't for about 4 months lol.

I was trying to research what type of series 70 it was, but I started noticing all these differences and so I just wondered if any gun smiths knew anything. It actually looks like a lot of these changes are common upgrades, but I'm worried that they might have had to file some parts down, and that the original parts don't come with the gun. I'm sure I can buy original replacement parts online somewhere. But nonetheless I think these are probably good additions. The gun looks good actually, so I'm not complaining. Would you pay $1700 + tax for it?

When it comes in I'll do a video on it and upload it somewhere. I plan to start doing some videos of the pistols I've collected. I'll look for the "NM" too.

Cheers,
Pitchwite
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Pre panic buying it's an $800 project gun, so no, probably not many people would be jumping at it for $2000.
There is zero point in spending more money to track down original parts to make it original when you already paid more then an original example is worth by a whole bunch.
Shoot it and enjoy it while we still can.
 
It is high , but if good condition, and tight, after a few boxes of ammo, price don't really matter
The aftermarket beaver tail looks like it was installed with out fitting the frame to it, which is the usual way
I did have a set of original grips, but they are gone. That is not a big deal, and those grips are very good.
Did you get good info from the sell on what was done.
As it sits , it is not a collector gun, but should make a good target gun, if it is still the original internals.
If the gun was advertized as a orignal NM gun , at a store, than they are stupid or dishonest.
When you mentioned taxes , I presume you are talking retail shop?
This is a picture of a fitted aftermarket beavertail, on a gun I had up to last month.
the whole gun is aftermarket .
If it is good ,Don't worry about it, just enjoy it.
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