I just joined CHAS and learned I can't shoot my AR in any range less than 100 meters. I am a first time AR owner and 100 meters is pretty tough. Furthermore, I am more interested in learning how to use my AR properly in CQB distances. With CHAS, I can only do this sort of stuff if I join the 3 gun league or the Service Rifle league, I believe. Problem is, with my occupation and work schedule, I won't be able to make it to 90% of the shoots and drills practice as they're held something like once a month and I work every other weekend. Is there any hope? I really envy all the Americans in Youtube vids who seem to be able to do this sort of stuff pretty easily.
Any Gun Ranges in/around Edmonton area that allow AR15 CQB?
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Hi There,
I am also a member at chas. I believe you can shoot some cqb type practice with the following conditions. 1. you have to do it on the 100m or 200-300 m range. 2. You can only do so when there are no other members waiting to use the range. Last time i was out there was a couple guys practicing cqb ar15 drills and pistol transitions. They were down range on the 100m range shooting at targets on the stands immediately in front of the berms. I just got a proper sling and plate carrier set up and was planning on doing some of this shooting next time i'm out if i'm lucky enough to have an empty range.
I am also a member at chas. I believe you can shoot some cqb type practice with the following conditions. 1. you have to do it on the 100m or 200-300 m range. 2. You can only do so when there are no other members waiting to use the range. Last time i was out there was a couple guys practicing cqb ar15 drills and pistol transitions. They were down range on the 100m range shooting at targets on the stands immediately in front of the berms. I just got a proper sling and plate carrier set up and was planning on doing some of this shooting next time i'm out if i'm lucky enough to have an empty range.
Nope, that's not true. I just posed the question on the CHAS FB page and was told that you can only do that with the 3 gun league during shoots and skills and drills days. So you can't do what you're planning to do. There are also new CFO imposed rules about shooting prone. Lots of chatter about it on the FB group page. So basically, if you're not there with the league, you have to shoot from the firing line.
Which prohibits any sort of practice whatsoever.....
Or, try and get something with similar ergonomics that's NR and go out to a gravel pit or something and do what you want. (provided that local laws allow discharge of firearms).
I predict a rise in impromptu ranges as CFO's/ranges continue putting more and more positional restrictions (i.e. no prone shooting, no standing shooting etc) on their firing points. Just sayin'...
- Location
- Edmonton, AB
I heard a rumor that one of the CHAS members is working on getting something set up in terms of CQB. It might involve bringing someone in for a weekend, so there might be some extra costs incurred.
Best thing I can suggest for the time being is to relax, put as many rounds downrange at 100m and up, shoot the Service rifle matches, and maybe make it out for an S&D with the 3 gun league. I'm sure someone will be happy to loan a shotgun for those portions if you ask, and bring ammo.
Best thing I can suggest for the time being is to relax, put as many rounds downrange at 100m and up, shoot the Service rifle matches, and maybe make it out for an S&D with the 3 gun league. I'm sure someone will be happy to loan a shotgun for those portions if you ask, and bring ammo.
Which prohibits any sort of practice whatsoever.....
Or, try and get something with similar ergonomics that's NR and go out to a gravel pit or something and do what you want. (provided that local laws allow discharge of firearms).
I predict a rise in impromptu ranges as CFO's/ranges continue putting more and more positional restrictions (i.e. no prone shooting, no standing shooting etc) on their firing points. Just sayin'...
Yeah, it sucks. But if all CHAS members get RSO certification, then we can all RSO each other as long as there's two members at the range at any given time. Regarding impromptu ranges, have you heard about the story about K-country in Calgary yet? Google it.
Yeah that is correct. Pete something or other. He PM'd me about it. He is consulting with some BC guys about CQB stuff and planning to incorporate it into the Service Rifle league. I will be down with that one. Yeah, I'm trying to think of ways to utilize the range in ways that align with what I ultimately want to practice. I'm thinking of getting bigger targets, like oversized silhouettes to simulate it being at a closer distance. I'm not sure yet about the pitfalls of this idea in terms of appropriateness in training.
Another problem for me is that I work every other weekend so it's really hard for me to catch the S&D days with the league. There's a rifle class on May 25 and I'm working that day as well. I'm currently trying to think of ways to utilize the 100 meter range in ways that would enable me to practice CQB related drills.
From the CHAS rules...
21. Practical shooting, which required movement in front of the firing line, must be carried out before or
after regular target shooting. It must not interfere with the safe shooting practice of any other
member.
So unless I am missing something, I don't see why I can't shoot in front of the set firing line so long as nobody else is waiting and the targets remain directly in front of the berms...??
21. Practical shooting, which required movement in front of the firing line, must be carried out before or
after regular target shooting. It must not interfere with the safe shooting practice of any other
member.
So unless I am missing something, I don't see why I can't shoot in front of the set firing line so long as nobody else is waiting and the targets remain directly in front of the berms...??
- Location
- Edmonton, AB
I'm pretty sure there's going to be some explaining done at the meeting on Monday night. May 5, 730 PM. BE THERE.
- Location
- Edmonton, AB
Don't drive yourself nuts over it. Lots of logistics to be gone through if this even gets off the ground. We still have to see if the CHAS execs will go for it, get some RSO's trained up, get something arranged for a clinic so that we have an idea of WHAT we're doing out there, and all that stuff. I doubt Edmonton will see a CQB match in 2014, but we'd at least be able to get some fundamentals and possibly a core group of shooters that know what they're doing ready to roll for 2015.
I wonder if CHAS would recognize trained RSO's from other ranges? I'm taking a course soon for rso at SGGC. I'll e mail them and see what response I get. Somehow I think the answer would be a "no".
I also wonder if they need a formal course, or if prior experience (such as running matches) would make a difference.....
I also wonder if they need a formal course, or if prior experience (such as running matches) would make a difference.....
Can't shoot prone without prior approval from the President and without an RSO present. They had to do this because of the CFO requirements. The other option was for them to build baffles and structures so that "no earth or sky" is visible and you have to shoot prone from an elevated position etc etc etc. Basically, it's the CFO's fault. They chose the better option.
Yup, but even that won't be good enough I'm sure.
The Quonset hut indoor range at Spruce Grove is (I'm pretty sure) a "no sky" range (or very close to being). According to one range exec I spoke with, (verbal) terms were made so that an RSO wasn't needed to supervise to shoot in the Quonset after modifications were done. After the mods were done, these terms were either changed i.e they still need an RSO present to use even that range, or weren't recognized as being vaild (such as: "we made no such promise/terms").
So, we need to lobby to have their powers curtailed, banned, or some sort of appeal process put in.
In the meantime, I guess we'll have to settle with shooting up local gravel pits and fields--since it's easier to shoot there than in the "safe" enviroment afforded at local ranges....thanks to our CFO.
Addendum: Come to think of it, if anybody within an hour of Edmonton wants to make some $$, I'll make this offer: I'll pay $20/ shooting session on your land/field. I'll bring my own targets and will totally clean up after myself. I prefer to shoot weekdays. I want to shoot from 100 to 500 yds at least, but will consider 100 to 200 only.
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Start your own informal gun club, and don't mention firearms. Something like "West Alberta Recreation Association". No CFO, no problems...no dumb expenditures, no dumb rules. It could turn into "the wild west" eventually, but hey....the conditions will have been created by the CFO's themselves.
One of the worst things that happen to government regulators is when people ignore them en masse. Ultimately, there will be no purpose for them (regulators) because their subjects operate outside of their jurisdiction (Private or public land).
