Any help with this BSA 1916 MK 1?

fenelon

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Stopped by Accuracy Plus today and snagged this for $399. Any info on this gun from you experts would be greatly appreciated. Bore is excellent. It's missing one stock mount bolt. Hopefully I can track another one down. Re: - armoury stock repair on top with two biscuits and two holes. Any ideas what it was for? Scoped? Haven't cleaned it yet. Am I best to just lightly oil/clean the metal work and leave the age patina intact? Stock is heavily oiled.

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Receiver and nose-cap are matched. Your firing pin seems to be turned out quite a bit and your bolt is not numbered to this rifle. Make sure you have the head-space checked along with your firing pin protrusion. You are missing the inner band spring screw and perhaps the inner band spring. This will affect accuracy. It appears that your rifle has a windage adjustable rear sight but not the sight protector for it. Not a big deal but you will have a hard time adjusting the windage screw without having to flip the sight up to do it. The stock reinforce biscuits are a common feature on the SMLE, and the two holes that you see are just for the retaining clips that secure the rear hand guard to the barrel. Leave it as it is if you want to have a rifle that has served this and many other countries over the last almost 100 years. If not take a little bit of Turpentine and rub it down to remove the excess oil(perhaps not the right one.)and apply a little Linseed oil to make it look a little better.
 
I asked the gunsmith at the store if it had been checked and he said yes - said he checked it with a "go/no-go guage". Any leads for tracking down the missing bolt that I need ?
 
I think it's seen service in India (the stamping below the safety). When you have it apart turn the rear sight protecting 'ears' around...they're on backwards.
 
I've stripped the gun and changed the rear sight guard - thanks Moose! The front barrel band had a masking tape bushing wrapped under it. Can someone confirm that I need 2 parts - inner band spring screw, and inner band spring? Parts # 38 and 39 on the Numrich schematic. When I get the parts and reassemble the gun, does the spring go between the steel base of the inner barrel band and the wood of the stock? (spring is inside wooden socket in stock).
Thanks,
Dave








 
You HAVE the Inner Band Spring. All you need is the SCREW. The SCREW has a large flat on it which is designed to ADJUST COMPRESSION/DRAW on the Inner Band. Your Spring is in the right place: it bears on the SCREW SHOULDER, not on the Band itself.

The idea with bedding the SMLE rifle was that the action was bedded solid at the Receiver Ring and around the Body and including the Chamber. From the Chamber forward, the Barrel floated. There was a 2-inch Reinforce just behind the MUZZLE. The Inner Band was to draw the Barrel DOWN close to or (sometimes) even touching the Inner Band Reinforce of the wood so that it had the correct DAMPING effect on the vibrations of the Barrel. SOME rifles would want this screwed down most of the way, some just would want a very slight damping; it was ADJUSTABLE and should not be cranked down solid. The peculiar shape of the Spring would hold the Screw in place.... or it should.

The old-time long-range shooters called this Inner Band Screw the "Magpie Screw". The rings on the Target were Bull (with X-ring in the middle) Inner, Magpie, Outer and right off the target. Turning this screw could change the Point of Impact of a rifle from the Magpie to the Bull. So you don't just crank it down solid.

SMLEs are very cantankerous critters. They are INDIVIDUALS; what works perfectly on one rifle might worsen the problem on another. For one example, the Muzzle Reinforce was 2 inches from the Factory. SOME (but not all) of the Canadian long-rang shooters would trim this back to ONE inch and find that their rifle shot better. Other rifles might NOT want this. I have a rifle here which shoots well under 1 MOA with the Reinforce cut back; it shot 3 times that previously. And I have several rifles which like the Reinforce left alone.

Target bedding an SMLE was more an Art than it was a Science. This is why so very few shops were GOOD at it and why their rifles became legendary. Think Holland and Holland, Alex Martin, Alfred G. Parker and a handful of others. The Army didn't have time to target-tune 4 million rifles. I was fortunate to have learned what bit I know from the former Captain of the Canadian Team. He was my rifle coach in Cadets, I shot with him and his cronies as a young man and, many years later, he had a gun shop here. Once he got into his 80s and found that I was still hanging around, he decided that perhaps a FEW secrets might be shared..... and I was listening! VERY closely, I might add! So don't thank ME: thank "Bisley Bill" Brown, the man who had the letter from the Queen on his wall.

As to the REST of your rifle, I am pretty sure it has been through a re-fit some time AFTER the Great War, likely after the Second War. Your photos show lots of markings and they all look good: HV behind the Rear Sight Bed is for "High Velocity" ammunition (Mark 7) of course, other markings also look right. What is the BARREL DATE? (On the Chamber 10 o'clock, under the Rear Handguard.)

Your rifle has been kicked around, but that damage is mainly cosmetic and can be undone. It has also been maintained and serviced by people who knew what they were doing, so that is a Good Thing. A bit of steaming on some of those dents and you will have a rifle which you will be PROUD to take to the range and, if we can get it to shoot the way it CAN, it will be impressive.

ANYbody! PLEASE!!! Who put that AL Serial Number on the left side of the Body???????? It must be a control number or an issue number from somewhere but I don't think it is British. There are just SO many "AL###x" rifles around which have been kicked about in a manner which the Imperial Army simply would NOT tolerate! We have had several of them on here over the past 5 years or so, mostly Number 4s. MY current thinking is that they could be Italian rifles supplied by the British after War Two and before Italy set up to make the Garand.

Hope this helps.
 
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ANYbody! PLEASE!!! Who put that AL Serial Number on the left side of the Body???????? It must be a control number or an issue number from somewhere but I don't think it is British. There are just SO many "AL###x" rifles around which have been kicked about in a manner which the Imperial Army simply would NOT tolerate! We have had several of them on here over the past 5 years or so, mostly Number 4s. MY current thinking is that they could be Italian rifles supplied by the British after War Two and before Italy set up to make the Garand.

I asked this question a while back. I have several SMLE's and No.4's (even a 1944 Long Branch) with these markings on the left wrist. Someone thought they were Indian and referred to various districts within the country. I take it this is questionable? The other thing I think points to for an Indian used Enfield is the wood and dowel insert at the top rear of the butt.
 
It has also been maintained and serviced by people who knew what they were doing,

Missing inner band screw, rear sight protectors on backwards & firing pin not installed correctly, hardly evidence of being maintained & serviced by people who knew what they were doing, more like evidence of being in the hands of an amateur who had no idea.
 
Fenelon send me a PM with your info and I will mail you a inner band screw. Smellie is right you have the spring,now that I look closer you can see it in your pics. I just assumed that if you were missing the screw you wouldn't have the spring.
 
Responses to my query about an AL-marked '41 Long Branch on another board indicated that the AL was one of a number of markings indicating state security force use in India rather than national military use. This information was apparently first unearthed by the Thompson SMG collectors group. FWIW.
 
Thanks very much, guys!

That makes a lot of sense; the British had a big repair depot at Allahabad in Uttar Pradesh and the city is the capital of a large and populous district.

I have a Martini with their early marking on the Butt: a roundel quite similar to the one you see on Sniders, lettered ALLAHABAD ARSENAL.

I wonder if this could be their marking, post-Independnce.
 
Thank you guys for the great feedback on this gun. I'll look again tomorrow for the barrel date. Re: firing pin - the gunsmith told me it had been checked over and was "good to go"". What is the procedure for measuring correct pin length ? When assembled, and the bolt head is screwed down, then turned, the tip of the pin is sticking out of the bolt face about 2mm.
 
Smellie:

Looked @ 10:00 under rear handguard. Not seeing any marks for date. There is only one mark that I can see in the barrel section between the rear site and the raised portion of the chamber. It's stamped on the bottom - Capital letter P, with 8 (space) 41.



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