Any ideas what it is??

[Howlingoutloud]

Acquired this double barrel muzzle loader recently, but not sure exactly what it is. Came out of an old farm house where the new owners found it in the attic. Its been well used and abused, and is missing a couple of parts. I would really just to know what it is. The barrels appear to be attached to the stock only by the "push rod" that would be used for setting the shot into the barrel. Lots of engraving on the brass parts of the stock, and a couple markings on the barrel, but I cannot see any Gauge size nor manufacturer name on it. Any ideas?

 

[oldstarfire]

By the marks on the bottom, it appears to be English.
Any markings on top or on the locks?

 

[toebako]

Looks pretty twisted to me.HAHA I think it looks amazing for its age. Measure inside the barrels to see what size they are. Quite a few are not 12ga, but 11 or 14 or whatever. That would be fun to repair and get shooting again.

 

[tiriaq]

You've got the remains of an English shotgun.
Are the hammers just missing, or are the tumbler shanks broken?
Replacing the underlug through which the retaining wedge fits would be an adventure. It is soldered in place and the barrels are soldered together.
There may be a maker's name on either the lockplates or on the top rib.

 

[Mike K.]

You've got the remains of an English shotgun.
Are the hammers just missing, or are the tumbler shanks broken?
Replacing the underlug through which the retaining wedge fits would be an adventure. It is soldered in place and the barrels are soldered together.
There may be a maker's name on either the lockplates or on the top rib.

Are you sure it is a shotgun? By looking at the muzzle metal thickness, it looks like it may be a rifle of about .50 calibre. Are the barrels rifled or smooth bored?

 

[tiriaq]

Are you sure it is a shotgun? By looking at the muzzle metal thickness, it looks like it may be a rifle of about .50 calibre. Are the barrels rifled or smooth bored?

I wondered about that. But the photo is so blurred it is hard to tell. Cannot see a hint of a rear sight, although the angle isn't good on the full length picture.

 

[Howlingoutloud]

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[mrclean89]

Have the hammer studs been broken or are they still more or less square posts ?

Mclean

 

[Howlingoutloud]

the one is there, the other one is missing. It appears that the square post is held there by a screw.

 

[tiriaq]

The screw in the tumbler shank secured the hammer.
Looks to be the remains of an average quality English shotgun, mid 19th century. It is hurting.
It could benefit from sympathetic repairs and restoration, but I do not think that a lot of money should be spent on it. If the gun were intact and complete, it might be worth $150-$250. A pair of new cast replacement hammers could cost $50, just for the hammers.
Is the lug that held the barrel to the stock still in the stock, with the wedge through it? If this piece were reattached to the barrels, at least the gun would stay together.

 

[Rdcollector]

Looks like a rough old English gun to me . I love these wall hangers I hardly ever pass them up.

 

[smellie]

London proof marks.

Get the locks cleaned up carefully and look at them closely for a maker's name.

The woodwork needs work, but it still is repairable.

Hit the gun shows for hammers, but first measure carefully for the THROW (distance between the centre of the "axle" and the top of the nipple) of hammer which you will require.

Some of these old critters will clean up right nicely, add something nice to this ugly world for another century and a half.

This is your chance to help this happen.
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