Any reviews for Spectre 7.63x39 complete 180 upper??
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I will jump in and risk the angry DM's from involved parties lol
HUGE disappointment. I was really excited to get my hands on one for the obvious May 1 reasons. Wont go into a long winded post so here is the Coles Notes:
Machining is poor, like almost zero finishing poor. Lots of machining marks left. The worst Norinco level of finishing poor.
Anodizing looks like sh*t
Trigger is a crisp 12+ pounds
Everything has been torqued to death on it
Cheapest parts available thrown into it
SHARP ANGLES EVERYWHERE - Like who in their bright mind thought having stabby points at the top of the grip would be a stellar feature?
Rail slots are still sharp
EVEN THE SAFETY SWITCH IS POINTY AND SHARP
Buffer tube nut is unstaked
The good: I now have a completely stripped, filed sharp edges off, cerakoted upper and lower which will be getting totally new parts including barrel. Only things factory are stripped receivers and gas system.
I was interested in trying the folding stock as well but whoever is in charge over at "Bunker Down" doesn't seem to know how to answer their emails.
Flame away, maybe I am being overly picky but I really don't think I am. Love Wolverine, always will but attaching their name to this product isn't great.....
HUGE disappointment. I was really excited to get my hands on one for the obvious May 1 reasons. Wont go into a long winded post so here is the Coles Notes:
Machining is poor, like almost zero finishing poor. Lots of machining marks left. The worst Norinco level of finishing poor.
Anodizing looks like sh*t
Trigger is a crisp 12+ pounds
Everything has been torqued to death on it
Cheapest parts available thrown into it
SHARP ANGLES EVERYWHERE - Like who in their bright mind thought having stabby points at the top of the grip would be a stellar feature?
Rail slots are still sharp
EVEN THE SAFETY SWITCH IS POINTY AND SHARP
Buffer tube nut is unstaked
The good: I now have a completely stripped, filed sharp edges off, cerakoted upper and lower which will be getting totally new parts including barrel. Only things factory are stripped receivers and gas system.
I was interested in trying the folding stock as well but whoever is in charge over at "Bunker Down" doesn't seem to know how to answer their emails.
Flame away, maybe I am being overly picky but I really don't think I am. Love Wolverine, always will but attaching their name to this product isn't great.....
Wolverine .303
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WHAT!?!?!?!?! ThIs iS UnAcCePtAbLe !?!??!?!
Joking aside no flames heading your way. Everyone is entitled to their opinion! It is one of our last freedoms that haven't been stripped from us....
As for the machining is poor, I don't totally agree, is some instances on certain parts/areas you may be able to see a faint machine mark for sure, but its a subjective opinion, as being compared to Norc... ouch
Anodizing, again subjective but you have cerakoted it so problem solved I suppose! The toqrued parts you reference, I hope are not the parts your not suppose to remove, as they are installed from factory and not intended to be removed.
SHARP ANGLES EVERYWHERE........yes. It's a square(ish) receiver with 1913 rails on it, lots of edges. On the machining marks and the rougher edges, it all comes down to machine time and costs.
To make them perfect you aren't going to have a $1350.00 rifle anymore. This is why you see Tier 1 rifles at the price point there at, the work was put into them and the time.
Anywhoooos anywaaaaays I hope you are enjoying your rifle now!
WHAT!?!?!?!?! ThIs iS UnAcCePtAbLe !?!??!?!
Joking aside no flames heading your way. Everyone is entitled to their opinion! It is one of our last freedoms that haven't been stripped from us....
As for the machining is poor, I don't totally agree, is some instances on certain parts/areas you may be able to see a faint machine mark for sure, but its a subjective opinion, as being compared to Norc... ouch
Anodizing, again subjective but you have cerakoted it so problem solved I suppose! The toqrued parts you reference, I hope are not the parts your not suppose to remove, as they are installed from factory and not intended to be removed.
SHARP ANGLES EVERYWHERE........yes. It's a square(ish) receiver with 1913 rails on it, lots of edges. On the machining marks and the rougher edges, it all comes down to machine time and costs.
To make them perfect you aren't going to have a $1350.00 rifle anymore. This is why you see Tier 1 rifles at the price point there at, the work was put into them and the time.
Anywhoooos anywaaaaays I hope you are enjoying your rifle now!
Here's the thing: Do I understand cost vs. quality? Yes. Do I understand sub $1500 Non Restricted Semi Auto? Yes. Are faint machining marks and finish subjective? Yes.
However, what got me ranting was having the sharp angles at the exact places the user interacts with the most (ie: top of pistol grip, safety selector and handguard slots) is not a place to balance machining time and cost. Do I care the receiver and rail is boxy? Not at all. I care about the only part that can cause injury being the muzzle end and up until then, only a Norinco has had the dubious pleasure of drawing blood from normal handling.
As for voiding warranty, if removal of the factory barrel to install a better match grade barrel voids warranty then that's crazy. And like the saying goes, "only accurate rifles are interesting" and I would rather have an interesting rifle than warranty.
Wolverine .303
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I understand your comments for sure, but even balancing time and machining only goes so far. Not all parts are the same machines ect, and we have to be conscious of keeping costs down, otherwise if we took the extra time and put the costs into it we would be accosted by folks claiming an "NR Tax". But I digress!!
As for the warranty statement nearer the end of your post, I don't believe we were speaking of this? Anyways if you have problems with "factory" parts let us know, if you drop a barrel into it and then have problems with the new barrel correct, it wouldn't be covered, but just because you put a barrel into it and then say your grip was cracked in half or something of that nature doesn't mean we would put you in "haha gotcha" situation. We would always do our best to work with ya
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I understand your comments for sure, but even balancing time and machining only goes so far. Not all parts are the same machines ect, and we have to be conscious of keeping costs down, otherwise if we took the extra time and put the costs into it we would be accosted by folks claiming an "NR Tax". But I digress!!
As for the warranty statement nearer the end of your post, I don't believe we were speaking of this? Anyways if you have problems with "factory" parts let us know, if you drop a barrel into it and then have problems with the new barrel correct, it wouldn't be covered, but just because you put a barrel into it and then say your grip was cracked in half or something of that nature doesn't mean we would put you in "haha gotcha" situation. We would always do our best to work with ya
Regarding warranty, I have an after market trigger installed, extended mag release and an RWA front pivot pin. Does this in any way affect my warranty? I am the second owner, it was completely stock when I bought it.
Thanks, Jim
WHAT!?!?!?!?! ThIs iS UnAcCePtAbLe !?!??!?!
Joking aside no flames heading your way. Everyone is entitled to their opinion! It is one of our last freedoms that haven't been stripped from us....
As for the machining is poor, I don't totally agree, is some instances on certain parts/areas you may be able to see a faint machine mark for sure, but its a subjective opinion, as being compared to Norc... ouch
Anodizing, again subjective but you have cerakoted it so problem solved I suppose! The toqrued parts you reference, I hope are not the parts your not suppose to remove, as they are installed from factory and not intended to be removed.
SHARP ANGLES EVERYWHERE........yes. It's a square(ish) receiver with 1913 rails on it, lots of edges. On the machining marks and the rougher edges, it all comes down to machine time and costs.
To make them perfect you aren't going to have a $1350.00 rifle anymore. This is why you see Tier 1 rifles at the price point there at, the work was put into them and the time.
Anywhoooos anywaaaaays I hope you are enjoying your rifle now!
Solid response. Kudos.
What do you expect for $1300 made in Canada? You're lucky they didn't just ship you a pointed stick at that price. As long as it functions, anything more IMO, you should be glad.
Wolverine .303
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Hey Jim,
Similar to what I posted previously, say now your having light strikes, or your trigger is not resetting properly, no we would not warranty that as they are after market parts. But if you were having problems with something on the firearm from factory, that you hadn't changed out we would not leave you hanging. But any aftermarket parts no we would not be warrantying. They would have to be done though whomever the manufacturer was or whichever center they have authorized.
Can you explain more about the machining process and why this is the case?
Absolutely
Some roughness to the finish of a consumer item may be acceptable to cut costs down. However, if it is effecting the utility of an item, causing physical injury when the item is used properly, I would consider that a warranty issue. We should wait on reports regarding other uppers rather then condemn them all, and evidence of the issues with the problem upper should be presented in a polite manner to Spectre LTD. Good luck!
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Thanks, that's great. I wouldn't expect you to cover issues with my aftermarket trigger. It is good to know that that does not affect my warranty if I had issues with my bolt or something else unrelated to the trigger group. So far I am very happy with the rifle.
Thanks, Jim
It's pretty clear that Spectre isn't a quality outfit. The fact they quash any criticism directed their way is evidence. Regardless of their compensation, if they are even giving half a crap they would be putting out a better product. Wolverine's pathetic attempt at deflecting through humour has gotta be one of the saddest things I have seen from them.
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What exactly would you like to know? Besides the fact that sharp corners are stress risers, it's a consumer item. There is some requirement to be aesthetically pleasing and not cut the user. They are already CNC machining them (I assume), so it really takes not much more work to break edges and round corners. The old rule of thumb is if you can scratch your thumb nail, it's too sharp.
Chamfer cutters, corner round mills, media tumbling, and hand finishing. These are some simple ways to break edges, in addition to proper design.
There is a point that "trying to keep costs down" becomes a poor excuse for a badly made product.
Well said.
Spectre appears to be Kodiak v2.0.
Wolverine seems to like dealing with these sorts of manufacturers.
