Any reviews for speer deep curl bullets?

I have tested some 7mm bullets, the MagTip and the GrandSlam.
The DeepCurls have a BC around .450 but they are still a lead based bullet.
I am now leaning towards a Barnes or Hornady GMX.
I would have to go back to the test of the 6.5 bullets saved as a Sticky but am really happy with the performance of Barnes in my .260 Remington.

After reviewing the tests of the .264 bullets, bcsteve did not test Speer MT, GS nor DC.

The MagTip has given excellent accuracy. I have never recovered a bullet. On a black bear at 400 yards it broke down the shoulders and he was bulldozing using his back legs for propulsion . . . dead but did not know it!
 
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I see that you are leaning away from lead, is this in the interest of performance or environmentalism? I shoot lead based bullets in all the calibers that I load for, and have thousands... I did shoot a deer with a speer grand slam, and the bullet did not fail, I like the thought of the deep curls because they are bonded. I personally don't see the need for the real high end bullets, as I have had no history of seeing stuff get back up and run away, and I have seen lots of stuff fall down. Many years ago I shot a moose with an old speer hotcor bullet and broke both his front legs about 2 inches below his body, the second shot to the neck caused both the bullet to fail and a couple vertebrae to get smashed. I have shot moose with KlingKor Soft points, Hornady Spire Points, Speer mag tips, cast lead bullets, norma dual core, no name 156gr 6.5 soft points, hornady rn speer hotcor... maybe it has taken a second bullet once in a while, but they were generally one shot kills, and usually pretty close. Bonded lead bullets are good enough for me, and they are cheap enough that I do not feel bad shooting a hundred of them at a target in an afternoon.
 
Only for consumption. Attended the BCWF AGM and there was an excellent presentation in regards to the use of lead based bullets.
While varmints shot with lead are also a concern with predators getting too much lead in their systems, I am more concerned with producing a lead free product for human consumption.
Lead cannot be used when hunting migratory birds, and California found mortality in condors was the result of lead consumtion. That is of less concern for me.
The x-Rays of animals shot with lead based bullets shows lead flecks over quite a large area. There are avenues available to reduce this contamination and moving away from lead suits me.
Plus, I so hate biting down on a "flower of lead" as it adheres to the gold fillings, and is annoying until it can be scraped off . . . and spit out.

This is not a rant but taking a cautious approach before the greens and environmentalists label us as not doing enough . . . not that they are doing anything.
Unfortunately there are still some using up their old lead shot.
 
horseman2 said:
Only for consumption. Attended the BCWF AGM and there was an excellent presentation in regards to the use of lead based bullets.
While varmints shot with lead are also a concern with predators getting too much lead in their systems, I am more concerned with producing a lead free product for human consumption.
Lead cannot be used when hunting migratory birds, and California found mortality in condors was the result of lead consumtion. That is of less concern for me.
The x-Rays of animals shot with lead based bullets shows lead flecks over quite a large area. There are avenues available to reduce this contamination and moving away from lead suits me.
Plus, I so hate biting down on a "flower of lead" as it adheres to the gold fillings, and is annoying until it can be scraped off . . . and spit out.

This is not a rant but taking a cautious approach before the greens and environmentalists label us as not doing enough . . . not that they are doing anything.
Unfortunately there are still some using up their old lead shot.
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I had heard an interview with a Vet who was going around talking with hunting and fishing organizations about the use of lead. Very convincing stuff especially when you have a few little ones running around the house who all love to eat wild game. She was from the east coast.

Edit: I did a quick search and found an write up on it.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/136664-hunters-federation-takes-aim-at-lead-ammunition

I'm buying what she's selling. George
 
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And now for an actual review of Speer Deep Curl bullets. I loaded some 160 grain deep curls for my Ruger M77 in 7mm Rem Mag and have them shooting less than 1 MOA. The reason I tried them is they are a bonded bullet at 1/2 the cost of Accu-Bonds, and wanted to see how they would perform on a moose. The first moose was shot at about 150 m broadside through the lungs. It went about 15 m and fell down. The lungs were absolutely shredded. I recovered the bullet against the skin on the opposite side and was fully mushroomed and all there. This years moose was quartering away at about 75 m. I tucked one in behind the shoulder and it went about 25 m before packing it in. Again the lungs were absolutely shredded. The odd thing was that I later recovered the bullet in the back side hind quarter. The bullet was pretty much intact, and had deflected off a bone in the back shoulder travelling just under the skin rearward.

I am very happy with their performance and have already purchased more before they become a distant memory.
 
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I see that you are leaning away from lead, is this in the interest of performance or environmentalism? I shoot lead based bullets in all the calibers that I load for, and have thousands... I did shoot a deer with a speer grand slam, and the bullet did not fail, I like the thought of the deep curls because they are bonded. I personally don't see the need for the real high end bullets, as I have had no history of seeing stuff get back up and run away, and I have seen lots of stuff fall down. Many years ago I shot a moose with an old speer hotcor bullet and broke both his front legs about 2 inches below his body, the second shot to the neck caused both the bullet to fail and a couple vertebrae to get smashed. I have shot moose with KlingKor Soft points, Hornady Spire Points, Speer mag tips, cast lead bullets, norma dual core, no name 156gr 6.5 soft points, hornady rn speer hotcor... maybe it has taken a second bullet once in a while, but they were generally one shot kills, and usually pretty close. Bonded lead bullets are good enough for me, and they are cheap enough that I do not feel bad shooting a hundred of them at a target in an afternoon.
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Basically a spear grand slam and mag tip and deep curl are all premium bullets just not as much money for my taste a grand slam is a high end bullet and a nosler partition is not i right be the only person in the world that dislikes them but I think they are over hyped junk.Speer has never spent the money on advertising that the others have. I had a visit with one of there engineers twenty five years ago and he told me they engineered the bullets to work within a set of specs and to be able to produce them for a low cost.
 
http://www.huntingwithnonlead.org

The segment where they x-ray a ballistics gel block, shot with a traditional cup'n'core jacketed bullet had me especially convinced. You can see the myriad of flakes of lead and copper jacket all through the wound channel. Not something I want to deal with. Not something I'd want to feed to my little neice and nephew.
 
I used the 165gr. Deep Curl in my .300 WinMag and was ecstatic with the accuracy and impressed with the killing power. I used it on 2 deer with very good results.
I tried to get some new stock this year and I couldn't find any. Tried to get some for my 7mm-08 and couldn't find any for it either. I was told that Speer is not producing them in the sizes I want.
 
I use the 165 grainer in my 30-06 and it is a very accurate bullet. An inexpensive bonded bullet was a great idea in my opinion. Unfortunately, the Speer rep told me about two months ago that they are discontinued. This is after they claimed to be replacing their entire hot-cor line with the things... I have no idea what the heck Speer is doing with their bullet line, but they need to figure their s@!$ out.
 
I just picked up a box 7mm Deep Curl 175gr bullets but haven't had a chance to try them yet.
I guess I don't need to spend too much time working up a load if they have now been discontinued from Speer's line!
 
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