Anyone else have 10 fp troubles?

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Just thought I would throw this out here, last year I bought my first 10 FP LE1 and after about 500 round (NOT YARDS) accuracy went down hill quick from 3/4 inch group at best to 2" groups.
Being from a long reloading back ground I had a member of this forum shoot my loads in his, and the results were tiney 1/2 groups every target.
This one right from the start was not a tack driver nor it would ever be, I was guessing not square lugs, or a poorly installed barrel?I ever replaced the stock and bedded the action 2 times.
A savage not a shooter, perhapps a lemon?
I have a few other savages on the way to try, but as you can imagim quality is on the back of my mined.
BTW the rifle is gone!
 
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its definitely possible to get a bad barrel

seeing how your accuracy got worse and worse, Id think a problem with your barrel was the issue.

Did you ever try cleaning it until you were blue in the face?
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Just thought I would throw this out here, last year I bought my first 10 FP LE1 and after about 500 yards accuracy went down hill quick from 3/4 inch group at best to 2" groups.
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Do you mean 500 rds.? If you're shooting 2" groups at 500 yds. you're either a hell of a shot, a liar, stupid, or shooting 1 shot strings.
 
Tod Yes this gun was a real four letter word I won't use here LOL!
No matter what I shot, reloads or fed match it shot the same each time, and ever other time it would shoot 3 through the same hole that spit 2 all over the paper. Than it would get into the stringing mood once and a while and string 5 in a row in what ever direction it wanted to.

But yes soaked it over night used sweets, Shooters choice, from Kroil to nylon brushes to just patches always with boreguides, tried a clean barrel vs a 100 shot fouled barrel with no change.
I guess it happens every once and a while? I guess a bad barrel as well Tod? or one that was not put on right.
I had about 700 rounds of pain and suffering trough it before it drove me crazy and dumped it for little to nothing$.
 
Sounds out of the ordinary from what I've heard on the board, and sure as hell is from my experience with my LE2B.

Are you letting the barrel cool between shots? Strings? What distance are you shooting? What stock? Are the stock bolts tight? Did you work this load up for this rifle or are you using a proven load from another rifle?
 
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Do you mean 500 rds.? If you're shooting 2" groups at 500 yds. you're either a hell of a shot, a liar, stupid, or shooting 1 shot strings.
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Yes i did mean to say 500 rounds, at 500 yards with this gun I would not even be on paper.
 
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Sounds out of the ordinary from what I've heard on the board, and sure as hell is from my experience with my LE2B.

Are you letting the barrel cool between shots? Strings? What distance are you shooting? What stock? Are the stock bolts tight? Did you work this load up for this rifle or are you using a proven load from another rifle?
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BUM yes it was out of the ordinary as I could take those same rounds neck sized for that gun shorten them to spec jam them in my 308 savage 99-C hunting gun and shoot better with it . And the range was only 100m.
This gun was junk, It had to be a dud. I have never seen a rifle fall off accuracy so bad so quick, as it never was accurate to begin with. The final moment with this gun was when I gave my buddy 10 rounds on my loads loaded with 4064 and 175 gr SMks to try in his LE2B and punched all 10 of my loads in a .4 group at 100m piss me off. I dumped it the next day.
And mine 2" if I was lucky with any ammo good or bad, I had replaced the stock with a Choat Super sniper, and when that did not work had it bedded, and no change.
Tried all the powders, Varget,4064,Rl-15,Imr4895, BL-c 2,Benchmark with SMKs, A-Max, and even Bergers, at 155gr,168,175,178,190s on the lands, off the land, at .05 off right up to and shorter than spec Oal. Drove me NUTS. It took me and cost me over 500 in the stock powcer and bullets, I also used Wilson and redding neck size dies and a foster, micro seater to .001.
Also tried full sized and BTW with Lapua brass?
Tried cold barrel, warm barrel, and hot, with no change, All of this for my 308 hunting rifle to out shoot this rig!
Since than I had kept about 20 loads for that gun and shot them off in my T-3 tactical and that resulted in .3s and .4s for breaking in the barrel, as well and a 3/4 moa group at 300 yards, go figure.
 
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This rifle still gives me nightmares and it wasn't even mine:D
As Jason said ammo was not the problem. All his loads shot great out of my Savage except for Reloader15 and his 3/4 group @ 300yds on Sat with the same ammo out of his Tikka confirms it was a gun problem.
I shot quite a few groups with his rifle and could maybe on a good day get 3 to cloverleaf, the other two had a mind of their own.:rolleyes:
 
Most guns that shoot a certain sized group through its life suddenly don't start shooting large groups overnight, even a barrel that is at the end of its life will go bad gradually over a few hundred rounds with increasingly larger groups. When a change from it's normal group one day to 2' groups the next with nothing being changed then look at the scope or its mounts. Something has let loose 99% of the time.
 
Oscar it was not over night, it started out not good and never came in and at the end was worse than the start thats all. After 700 rounds I had it with it. I wish it was as simple as the base or scope or mounts but I don't buy it because the Ken Ferral base and ARMs mounts topped with an Elite, than a borrowed VX III off another target rifle of mine with new leupold rings did not solve the problem and I did re-tighten and check the rail there was nothing
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It was a dud as I said some don't want to here the fact that a savage did not shoot but I owned one of them that did not.
 
Wasn't sure from reading the posts that you had tried another scope and checked your mounts. Anyway, like you I purchased a .223 savage and had dismal accuracy with it, after extensive load work and tinkering it wouldn't shoot much better than 1.5" and mostly 2" or larger, same as in your experience. A friend also had one that would not shoot and he also traded off. Both of us know how to shoot, work up loads and tune a rifle to its potential. We are well accustomed to shooting tiny groups with our benchrest rifles. I only bought the gun because I wanted to see if the hype about Savages out of the box accuracy was really as good as they say. Didn't happen for me either. Fact is i've never seen one of these shoot tiny groups consistently every time. The occasional tiny group you get if you shoot them enough dosen't cut it for me, I've watched the guys who rave about their savages accuracy shoot them and they are not getting the groups they brag about very frequently either, but they sure do make a myriad of excuses for their mostly larger than tiny groups. Kinda neet how folks can ignore 5 or 6 inch and a half groups on a target yet rave accuracy because they got one group among them that wound up less than a half inch.
 
LOL Oscar its a frustrating experience isn't it.
I am not sold on them either.
Mine was a honest 2" er as well vs my new Tikka Tac that is a honest .5 grouper all day long.
 
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