anyone have answers on a sxs i have

HUNTERROD

CGN Regular
Rating - 100%
77   0   0
Location
Cape Breton
i have a baker model "c" boxlock 12 gauge, rib is marked montgomery wards and company
was told, it was made only in 1895 marked as such, they were later changed to baker marked, this thing is massive, weighs almost 11lbs, has 3" chambers!! not reamed, looks like brass cartridge or roll crimp cartridge gun, gun has crolle laminate steel barrels
the twist pattern is out of this world, gun is tight as new, orig wood, forend has ebony tip, rear stock is all orig finish and org butpad, fit is perfect, reciever is engraved, i noticed that the chokes are so tight, the dia of muzzles is same as a 16 gauge shotgun, measures 686, and 682, bores are virtually pit free, and shiny, anyone ever see one of these or no where i can find more info on them,


any answers would be great guys
 
With sincere apologies to the author, I can't remember his name:redface:

Nevertheless, his story:

L.C. SMITH, ITHACA, AND BAKER.....BAKER?

At the Gun Show, I talked to a guy who was carrying around an old Baker shotgun. He didn't know anything about it, didn't know what model it was and couldn't find anybody, in his words, who "had even heard of Bakers". Time to fix that. Back in 1961, when the book "Parker - America's Finest Shotgun" was published, the author, Peter H. Johnson, listed the big six of American Shotguns: Parker, Ithaca, L.C. Smith, LeFever, Fox and, yes, Baker. Most shotgunners are pretty familiar with the first 5 names on that list, but the name of Baker is comparatively obscure except amongst diehard collectors.

Early Years: The story behind the Baker name is really about 2 brothers, William H. Baker (1835-1889) and Ellis L. Baker (1845-1899). The designer of the two was William. His gun-making career started shortly after the Civil War in Marathon, NY and Lisle, NY, where he built muzzleloaders.

Baker & L.C. Smith: In 1878, William moved to Syracuse where he formed a partnership with Lyman C. Smith and his brother, Leroy H. Smith. The company was W.H. Baker and Co. This partnership eventually became the L.C. Smith Co. when Lyman bought out the entire operation in about 1880. The same guns continued to be built, those designed by William Baker. In fact, these guns were marked "L.C. Smith and Co., Maker of the Baker Gun". Thus one of the greatest of all shotgun manufacturers was founded on William Bakers shotgun designs. L.C. Smith and Co. was sold to Hunter Arms in 1888 and then to Marlin around WWII.

Baker & Ithaca: After the sale to Hunter Arms, Baker and Smith started a new company in Ithaca, NY, beginning operations in 1883. This company went under Baker's name for a few years before being renamed the Ithaca Gun Co. So, once again, one of the great shotgun manufacturers was founded on the designs of William Baker.

Baker Gun and Forging Co.: By 1887, William was on the move, back to Syracuse. Here, in partnership with his brother Ellis, a practicing physician, he formed the Baker Gun and Forging Co. It is here where the guns marked "NEW BAKER" were first produced. In one form or another, this company produced Baker shotguns for the next 32 years. In 1889, the plant burned, and the brothers moved the operation to Batavia, NY. William died before operations could begin there and Ellis quit the practice of medicine to run the gun business full time. He remained at the head of the company until his death in 1899. The company continued in operation until 1919, when it was sold to H&D Folsom Co. in Meriden, Connecticut.

So, in just a few years, William H. Baker was instrumental in the formation of three of the country's leading shotgun manufacturers. It is somewhat ironic that the two companies which do not bear his name achieved greater recognition and fame than his own.

Most shotguns carrying the Baker name were produced under the Baker Gun and Forging Co. name with the first hammerless models coming on line at about the time of William's death. In all, more than 20 models were produced, ranging from very plain "Batavia" models to very high grade, heavily engraved doubles and single barrel trap models. At it's peak, Baker was producing more than 1000 shotguns per month.

Here's a pic of my Baker:


Baker.JPG
 
baker

thats a fine looking specimen of a baker, beautiful patterns on those barrels, i also have an old batavia leader 12 im selling, not near as pretty as that im afraid, however i shoots fine,

my grade c boxloxk, i just did some internetting on, claims they were the first boxlock and the only boxlock baker ever built, the first guns were made in 1895, sported crolle laminette steel barrels of fine quality, american black walnut stocks, they were designed as "heavy duck" guns, large chambers for large payloads, there are no proofs on the gun, but im told that very few american guns have any if any at all, that being said, i got this in a trade and love shooting the big baker
Guys at the range ask me"what in the gods name is that, those tubes are 1/8" thick on muzzle end, and over 1/4" on breech, we loaded some 3" hulls with 120gr of 2f black powder and 12 OO buck pellets and fired it at 40 yrds, lets just say i wouldnt want to be caught with my pants down,lol, it hit the target and blew it over, gun weighs 11 or so lbs
so its like having a modern 10 gauge magnum in your hands
boys tell me that them barrels could take modern standard pressure ammo no problems, but i havent tried any
i did find a refernce to the gun in an old montgomery wards catalogue add
stated the gun sold then for 32$"the montgomery wards long range gun" by baker gun and forging company, its the spitting image of my gun,
article also stated it was bored for black or nitro powders?
 
Back
Top Bottom