anyone here had the chance to shoot the .45-70 plus it's three big brothers?

the recoil table off Chuck's site shares the following:

recoil for 300 grains @ 1800fps out of a 7.0lbs rifle is 23.9lbs
recoil for 350 grains @ 1900fps out of a 7.0lbs rifle is 37.9lbs
recoil for 405 grains @ 1330fps out of a 7.5lbs rifle is 18.5lbs

I remember shooting my brothers 15" .45-70 Encore and have no recollection of any discomfort. on the other hand, the recoil of 180g bullets from his .308 Winchester 88 would put my back out. much harsher recoil than even my Marlin XL7 in 30.06. though I think that's cause my rifle had a soft recoil pad while his was as old as the rifle and not very plyable. :rolleyes:
 
brybenn said:
I can just touch 2700fps with a 300gr hornady from a 26.5" 458wm using h4895
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That’s pretty stout for a Win Mag!

Mr. Friendly said:
this makes me curious! how can a ML (didn't recognize the term the first time you used it, hence my stupid question) attain velocities like that when a big magnum cannot?

please tell me more, I want to know! :D
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Not just attain those velocities but do so with an ES over 5 shots of under 10 feet per second.

Well I’ll give you my take and my opinion.

Bullets are Full Formed meaning they are put through a sizing die that has a piece of the barrel in it. You are cutting the rifling as well as sizing bullet so that it can be stuffed down the tube. The fact that you are cutting the rifling in a Die means less drag when bullet is fired. That’s what I believe anyway.

There is no metal case to deal with nor its capacity restrictions.

Barrels are heavy

Different powders can be used.

So that’s my take for what it’s worth. Again only my opinion and only telling you since you asked. If you want further details pm me.

Here is a pic of two groups at 100 yards from last fall when sighting in my Precision ML I built. I won’t share the powder used for legal purposes. Keep in mind that this was not an off the shelf ML.

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It’s a pile of fun and something I thoroughly enjoy playing with.

This is nothing new. The guys in the states have been doing this very same stuff for more than a decade. A fellow north of the border was kind enough to point me the right way when I started down the path.

They do all kinds of stuff with ML’s down in the US. Take a look at Arrowhead Sporting Goods on line.
 
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I've done a fair amount of shooting with 45/70 and 535 Postel bullets. My friends 45/90 and similar bullets isn't much different. I'd describe the recoil as somewhere between enemic and pop-gun. Mind you these rolling blocks and Sharps aren't light; and we never went out of our way to find the worst possible stock design. A day of plinking at the Great White iron buffalo target is lots of fun, and is never ended by recoil. The .458 and Lott with full power loads is a whole different world.

My Savage muzzleloader loaded with 300 grain Hornadys and 43 grains of 4759 kicks like a .243. Throw 3 pellets in there to go slower and it's considerably higher. Wind it up with a not to be disclosed load of H4198 and a 265 gr Barnes to 2650 and African level recoil is the result. It may not even be a good idea; forget I mentioned it.
 
I have had rifles in .45/70, .45/110 and .45/120... they are easy to load up or down to suit the game and your comfort level.
 
I've used numerous 45-70's since the 70's and have settled on my Pedersoli 86/71 as the most useful, accurate & comfortable rifle to hunt & shoot with out of all of em. Never got into the long case 45's as I never needed the extra power or loading gear to hunt or plink with.
 
hoytcanon said:
I have had rifles in .45/70, .45/110 and .45/120... they are easy to load up or down to suit the game and your comfort level.
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what kind of rifles were they hoyt? do you remember anything about bullet size, velocity or what recoil was like vs. some of the bigger/faster cartridges out there? 338 Win Mag, 375 RUM or H&H, etc?
 
Mr. Friendly said:
that is some of the info I have been wanting to read! where did you get your load data for gunpowder in the .45-120? does your Sharps have a recoil pad or are you shooting with a buttplate?
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The Lyman #49 and 50 manuals have 45-3 1/4" 0r 45-120 data. Also Reloaders nest and Bob Shell's Blog.
My C. Sharps has a steel butt plate.
 
Mr. Friendly said:
keeping the authentic look with the steel butt plate? I can't imagine any reason to cause oneself pain unnecessarily, unless they're a bit of a sadomasocistic!
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These are a beautiful rifle that would be definitely downgraded by the addition of a recoil pad. While not a lover of recoil I'm not a total Philistine!:)
 
Mr. Friendly said:
have you had the 'pleasure' of shooting any of the bigger cartridges with modern powder?

I know the kick of the .458 Win. has the crud kicked outta me one day at the range as it just so happened that two others had their .458's there. theirs were Russian I think and had a butt plate, not pad. I was done after 6 shots...
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Yes several. 577 and 577/450 only in BP. The others I have and do load with smokeless. Not as much fun to shoot but I can take maybe a dozen rounds at middle of the load data levels. At full power they require a paste pad. Under my shirt of course. Don't need any of the he-men commenting on it.
 
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