Anyone Here Have Experience Chronographing Loads with Alliant Re26?

VVN565 is available, but not always at your LGS or Canadian Tire.

During the latest powder drought, VV powders were available when others weren't.

I used the VVN565 because I needed a less dense powder in that burn rate.

You're right, RL25 is bulky. It's one of the main reasons it works so well in many cases because it fills the case to ideal levels. I find it works best when slightly compressed, over magnum primers.

It's also getting difficult to find, so you may not want to get into it.

The VV powders have relatively consistent grain density between burn rate types, unlike other powders, but they can't quite get the same velocities, before reaching book maximum pressures.

I mostly use IMR7828ssc for loads requiring this burn rate. It's usually available long after and before the other hard-to-find powders are, so it's a good choice to keep on hand.

Chasing that last 50-75fps can get expensive and isn't always worth the effort.
In my experimenting with QuickLoad and the cartridges I mentioned, the Vihtavuori powder that came closest to Re26 was VV N560. With a couple of the cartridges, using VV N560, I was able to get within about 50 fps of what Re26 produced. In my tests, I set the pressure parameter to precisely 60,000 PSI (Piezo CIP) in all cases. In other words, I tried each powder until I got to exactly 60,000 PSI and looked at both MV and the "LR - Load Ratio"--that's the %age of usable space occupied by the charge with the seated bullet. Both VV N560 and N565 are slightly bulkier than Re26 (the load density of both VV powders is about 5% lower than that of Re26), but not enough to cause problems of not being able to get enough into the case.
 
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Think I am down to around 9lbs left. lol

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Just to put a bow on my experiments with Re26 and QuickLoad, I've looked at it with the 300 magnums and the .338 WM. In both it produces the highest velocities of several appropriate powders for these cartridges at 60,000 PSI pressure. The key factor with this powder (and any powder actually) is the expansion ratio (ER) of the cartridge. With cartridges having lower expansion ratios (those approaching overbore capacity), Re26 is the best powder available for velocity. In fact, cartridges with an ER less than about 6.70 are ideal candidates for the powder. However, once you get to higher expansion ratios, its effectiveness declines. So for the 30-06, with an ER of 6.99, Re26 is not optimal. You can't get enough of it into the case to get pressures up to 60,000 PSI without excessive powder compression (113% load density behind a 180-gr. bullet). Faster-burning powders like Re22 and Norma MRP do better as they produce equal velocities with only minimal compression (104%). And once you get to the .308 Win., with an ER of 8.61, Re26 is completely useless, as you can't get anywhere enough of it into the case. To clarify, I consider powder compression of up to 105% load density acceptable, but prefer to avoid greater compression than that. Some will perhaps see this as overly conservative.

In summary, for the smaller-bore cartridges based on the 30-06 case--the .25-06, .270 Win., .280 Rem.--Re26 is the winner for velocity at safe pressures. This is also true for pretty well all true magnum cartridges up to the .338 WM, but not beyond in bore size. And for the smaller-bore cartridges based on the .308 Win. case—the .243 Win. and 260 Rem. (but not the 7-08)—it gives top velocities. This is true also for some other .264 bore-size cases like the 6.5 Creedmoor and the larger .264 cartridges.

I should reiterate that these calculations are based entirely on QuickLoad algorithms and not actual chronographed velocities. My original purpose with this thread was to see whether empirical results with Re26, based on chronographed velocities, paralleled the QuickLoad predictions. From the earlier posts in this thread, it appears that they do. However, perhaps this has been wasted effort, as it appears that Re26 is almost impossible to obtain these days, and, given the recent disappointing announcement about the discontinuance of all Alliant powders, it may be some time before we see it again.
 
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years ago I had a 24" 30-06 and tried RL26, RL17 & H4350 head to head and ended up here :

180gr Winchester SP
H4350 56.0grs 2757 fps
RL17 55.0grs 2810 fps
RL26 64.6grs 2841 fps


243 Win & 25-06 Rem really perk up with RL26 too :

243 Win, Howa 22" brl
90gr Sierra TGK
48.2grs RL26 ~ 3283 fps

25-06 Rem, Weatherby 24" brl
100gr Speer SP
60.7grs RL26 ~ 3548 fps

120gr Sierra HPBT
56.6grs RL26 ~ 3200 fps
 
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-Loads-140-gr-AMAX-and-12-Different-Powders!?

I found it to be slightly faster than Re25, and about optimum in the 6.5X55 with mid-weight bullets (140's). By "optimum" I mean a full case gives max MV's (at safe pressures).

It should remain about optimum for other cartridges with about the same expansion ratio and mid-weight bullets, e.g. 270 Win with 150's

I also worked with Re33 and found it to be about optimum with the heaviest bullets in the 6.5X55 and 6.5-06.
 
I think RL26 is slower burn rate than RL25, but provides more FPS per grain of powder than RL25 due to the acceleration of the bullet is so much greater than RL25 due to the voodoo of the magic pixie dust
 
years ago I had a 24" 30-06 and tried RL26, RL17 & H4350 head to head and ended up here :

180gr Winchester SP
H4350 56.0grs 2757 fps
RL17 55.0grs 2810 fps
RL26 64.6grs 2841 fps


243 Win & 25-06 Rem really perk up with RL26 too :

243 Win, Howa 22" brl
90gr Sierra TGK
48.2grs RL26 ~ 3283 fps

25-06 Rem, Weatherby 24" brl
100gr Speer SP
60.7grs RL26 ~ 3548 fps

120gr Sierra HPBT
56.6grs RL26 ~ 3200 fps

I'm interested in your experience with the 90gr Sierra TGK bullet in your Howa rifle. Does your rifle have a 1:10 twist? My .243 (a Schultz & Larsen) has this twist, and when I went on to the JBM ballistics website to determine whether that bullet would be stabilized in a 1:10 twist, it indicated that it would fall short of full stability. This is disappointing as it looks like a great bullet. What kind of accuracy did you get with this bullet in your Howa?
 
I'm interested in your experience with the 90gr Sierra TGK bullet in your Howa rifle. Does your rifle have a 1:10 twist? My .243 (a Schultz & Larsen) has this twist, and when I went on to the JBM ballistics website to determine whether that bullet would be stabilized in a 1:10 twist, it indicated that it would fall short of full stability. This is disappointing as it looks like a great bullet. What kind of accuracy did you get with this bullet in your Howa?


It was a buddy's rifle I did the load work on a few years ago with 80gr TTSX / RL16, I just tried a handful of 90TGK RL26 just to see what it would do for speed. I don't recall how accurate it was sorry. Hornady loads 90gr ELDx in their factory ammo, I'm sure it's in the realm of being stable in factory 243 rifles. I shoot at 2500' which helps marginal stability too
 
More RL26 results from last night

22.5" barrel 280 AI with 162gr ELDx handloads. No high pressure signs

That's a solid 100 fps faster than the factory Precision Hunter load does

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That's outstanding performance for a .280AI. Puts it right into 7 Rem. Mag. territory with a much smaller powder charge and shorter barrel than on most 7 mags. Do you know what pressure QuickLoad indicates for this load?
 
That's outstanding performance for a .280AI. Puts it right into 7 Rem. Mag. territory with a much smaller powder charge and shorter barrel than on most 7 mags. Do you know what pressure QuickLoad indicates for this load?


I think it's around 59,000 psi on the program
 
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