Anyone recognise this older aftermarket trigger?
- Thread starter Dosing
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Don't know who made it. Mechanically, it is a Winchester Model 70. Was the rear trigger pivot hole drilled for the purpose of installing this unit? Don't think an as-issued Enfield has a hole there.
What is the cocking piece like? Altered? #### on open or #### on close?
Looks to be a very tidy installation.
What is the cocking piece like? Altered? #### on open or #### on close?
Looks to be a very tidy installation.
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- WMU247 near Edmonton
going to admit I am intrigued with that trigger
never seen anything like it
how is the pull weight ?
I don't have a P14 / M17 to compare but is that an aftermarket safety too ?
never seen anything like it
how is the pull weight ?
I don't have a P14 / M17 to compare but is that an aftermarket safety too ?
As mentioned, a Winchester Mod 70 trigger appears to be a factory or maybe an after-market trigger adapted to fit your rifle.
Tiriaq and the OP are identifying the receiver as P14-17 but I'm thinking P13???
I have seen safety levers with the hollowed-out arm before and am under the impression it was on an early P13????
In its day, that trigger design was considered one of the best triggers available on an off-the-shelf sporting rifle and IMHO, is still one of the best trigger designs still being used on firearms. I don't remember anyone making an aftermarket copy??
Whoever did that job, as mentioned, knew their stuff.
The receiver has been modified extensively as has the trigger guard.
I don't remember if the cocking on opening conversion required a different safety to be installed??? on these actions.
Tiriaq and the OP are identifying the receiver as P14-17 but I'm thinking P13???
I have seen safety levers with the hollowed-out arm before and am under the impression it was on an early P13????
In its day, that trigger design was considered one of the best triggers available on an off-the-shelf sporting rifle and IMHO, is still one of the best trigger designs still being used on firearms. I don't remember anyone making an aftermarket copy??
Whoever did that job, as mentioned, knew their stuff.
The receiver has been modified extensively as has the trigger guard.
I don't remember if the cocking on opening conversion required a different safety to be installed??? on these actions.
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- Western Manitoba
It is a thing I am discovering on those rifles - the marks on left side rail say that receiver belonged to British Army - was my thought that "was" a P14 receiver - but then M1917 bolt and some other parts (like magazines, safeties, etc.) seem to fit fine into and onto a P14 receiver - I even found out extractors can be swapped from P14 to M1917 bolts. No doubt whomever fitted that trigger and did the other mods, set the headspace for that 9.3x62 barrel and has both bolt lugs bearing on that receiver? Is something that I do not know how to do yet - to cut those "square" threads for the P14 and M1917 barrel tenon - to screw into those receivers ... What I discovered as "weak point" is the little spring tail on the ejectors like to break off - 1950's Roy Dunlap book shows a work around using coil spring - Numrich used to sell similar, but I do not think they even list them any more.
Rifle is a hodgepodge of P17 with some P14 parts. The safety is stock, but has been 'customised' by someone who had lots of time (they even hollowed out the back of it). As it sits the trigger is crisp, but heavier than I like. The rifle has been converted to #### on open as well.
I was wondering if it was an old Dayton or something 1970s-ish as far as the trigger, but cant find anything online that looks the same.
I was wondering if it was an old Dayton or something 1970s-ish as far as the trigger, but cant find anything online that looks the same.
I don't know that a M70 trigger ever had an engagement screw where the sear is engaged. One could have been added, if the unit wasn't custom from the get go. Anneal, drill, tap, re-heat treat.
With the markings on the left sidewall, the receiver is either P'13 or P'14.
It is a very interesting rifle. Is the stockwork done to the same standard as the metalwork?
With the markings on the left sidewall, the receiver is either P'13 or P'14.
It is a very interesting rifle. Is the stockwork done to the same standard as the metalwork?
Thanks, will bare it in mind once I see how it does at the range.
Stock work is nicer, but someone spent some time on the metal, beautifully done trigger guard straightening, bobbed bolt release, worked safety, mag box reworked etc.
Jonnyofalltrades
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- North-central Saskatchewan
Thanks for posting that. It's very beautiful.
Indeed!
I saw it as a Winchester Model 70 trigger, with a LOT of custom adaptations! Or, at least, a Win 70 style trigger, with a lot of thought put in to it!
Did the P-series rifles have adjustable spring pressure at the front end of the sear? Because I see that too! A screw adjustable cup that holds the sear return spring (right at the front of the sear). Adjustable Sear engagement, adjustable trigger spring pressure too. So at least four different adjustments, without actually changing any of the springs! Nice!
Am I reading it right that the pair of jam nuts above the tail of the trigger only control the spring pressure, while the thicker nut locks the trigger's position on that spring loaded shaft (trigger pull spring)?
All said, I think that design bears a few ideas worth keeping on file!
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The P13 round was almost a duplicate of the 270 Win, that's likely where the jigs and tooling for the P17 came from in the first place.
remington.. lol. RJ
Tongue in cheek or no, do you REALLY think anyone at Remington would have considered making such a similar trigger to Winchester's?
And, if Remington really figured out triggers, why are there so many different 'improved' Remington triggers out there?
And we won't talk about <cough> the recall! LOL!
Jonnyofalltrades
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- North-central Saskatchewan
remington.
Except no rotten side plates to collect crud and bind it up.
And this one is beautifully crafted, and the Remington is a stamped and riveted.
Other than that, they're pretty much identical!
Not really.
The two nuts that lock each other are for spring tension (weight)
The single bottom nut locks the screw in place, that screw is a trigger stop and should be adjusted so there is a small amount of clearance when the trigger is in the fired position. (In the fired position you should be able to feel and see slight movement when pressuring and releasing the trigger)
Then there is the screw adjusting sear engagement. It wouldn't surprise me if that screw in Loctited in position. You don't want it moving.
