Anyone shooting a Yildiz Pro?

They should make the stock 3/4” longer and put on a thinner recoil pad. And replace that schnabel with a sporting beavertail. Other than that, they certainly look good. Most of those stocks are a very expensive upgrade on a Perazzi. I would have to have a closer look at the stocks to see if that is the kind of wood I would want on a heavy use target gun.
 
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Perazzi Guns do take a fair bit more maintenance to maintain then lots of other brands.

They didn’t copy the most reliable design to say the least.
 
Besides the infamous flat springs used for the hammers just what extra maintenance over other brands are you referring to? And flat springs are optional if you don't like them, in fact you can order a Perazzi just about any way you want and are not limited to what comes off the production line for retailer shelves.
I've had several Perazzi guns and none of them have required any more maintenance than any other gun I've owned. Every gun breaks down from time to time if you use them enough and Perazzi owners generally use their guns a lot more than the owners of cheaper guns.
 
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Seeing as I actually have one vs the rest of you with predetermined bias trying to compare apples to oranges (comparing this gun to the entry level Yildiz guns) all I can say is handle and shoot one before you pass final judgement.
As I said in my last post, they messed up marketing wise by calling this a Yildiz vs re-branding it as something else.
Its not comparable at all to a Yildiz you may have seen in the past.
I have no personal stake or anything to gain by changing anyone's mind, but I'm not a fan of misinformation and opinions with no basis in fact.

Like the rest of you, longevity is a concern of mine, but having had one 5+k season with it under my belt and speaking with people in US, Europe and Australia with 10-20k rounds down range, I haven't heard of a single issue yet.
Time will tell, but I currently have no more concern with this gun vs any of the other guns I travel and compete with.

The $8k retail version is engraved vs the non engraved version.
There are opportunities to buy them for less than retail if one is so inclined.

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Your point about us critics not owning a Yildiz Pro is well taken and a good point however the gun has yet to prove itself. Your speculation about it's longevity is strictly your opinion and not based on fact and 5 to 20k rounds is nothing. Like I keep saying, when I see a bunch of Pro's with a million plus rounds through them then the gun will have proven itself worthy of being compared to Perazzi in durability and not just ascetics. I'm not trying to take anything away from the gun or rain on anyone's parade but there is a lot of reason for shooters to be sceptical of the claims being made on behalf of this gun.
 
You'll likely never see one with a million rounds, just like you'll never see the majority of firearms out there with that round count.
Unless you are training for the olympics and have an ammo sponsor, no one is going to go through that round count.
Even the most dedicated shooter with deep pockets, 1000 rounds a week, will take at least 20 years to get there.
And even if they get there, the gun has been rebuilt along the way so not sure what purpose 1 million rounds would serve

As you stated a couple posts up, every gun breaks down from time to time.
All guns will eventually need spring replacement, a firing pin, the locking block etc.
Other than that, what's going to break?
Wood longevity is a crap shoot depending on the density and grain structure

There are many examples of every brand of shotgun breaking down, be it B guns including DT and SO sereies, P & K guns etc.
There's a thread here about a ASE90 where the barrels detached from the monoblock.
My friend's K80 was switching between doubling and then not firing at all last time I shot with him.

Perazzis have a stigma (deserved or not) of the ribs eventually coming off.
They also have a number of examples of cracking stocks in the MX8 version as the detachable trigger group is wide and the wood width in the grip area can be narrow depending on stock dimensions, plus the back of the receiver is rounded transferring recoil into this "weak" area of the stock.

Both of these "issues" are addressed in how the Pro is made.
Barrels are silver soldiered and the mid rib is one piece, back of the receiver it flat for more spread out distribution of recoil, stock grip area is thicker because the receiver is narrower as its not a drop out trigger. Its "inspired" by the MX12.

All of this is moot though, as this gun really shouldn't be compared to a Perazzi. Its not a Perazzi.
Just like the Kemen, this gun is heavily inspired by the Perazzi.
The Perazzi is superior in finish, can be customized any way imaginable, has a great heritage in the Olympics etc.
It also has a price tag 4x that of one of these guns.
If one is in the market for a Perazzi, they aren't shopping for one of these unless they want a backup that is similar in ergonomics and feel.

I know of a couple people who have Pro barrels fitted to their MX8/12, as Perazzi barrels are the same price as one of these guns. Pro barrels are $1300

Yes, the statement on longevity is my opinion, but my opinion is based on my experience with many brands of guns and the wear I've seen (i.e. none in my gun after 5k rounds) gives me reassurance that I didn't waste my money.
I took the gun completely apart when I got it, and again a month ago when I did a thorough inspection.
What I've seen from those with much higher round counts than myself, just strengthened my opinion of the gun.
We'll see how long it takes before I have to service things, but my hunch is telling me it won't be much different from any other gun's maintenance requirements.

This gun fits a certain segment of the market.
If I had the budget to buy a new Perazzi, I wouldn't be in this conversation.
Actually, I probably wouldn't even be in a conversation about Perazzis....having handled a Longthorne, those guns feel amazing in the hands.=
Man, I need to start playing the lottery...
 
Yeah we all need to play the lottery to feed this obsession! :)

You obviously know a lot about shotguns, you make a compelling argument in favor of the Yildiz Pro and I hope it works out for you and others. I just wish Yildiz would have come up with their own design instead of copying screw for screw a very successful design in the hopes of cashing in on that reputation, to me that's like plagiarizing and they're trying to reap the benefits of other people's work! However it also lends itself to people comparing it to the design they plagiarized and proponents of the gun are claiming without proof that it's as good or better. Now I see that Yildiz has come out with a new model called the Pro MX, gee I wonder where the name MX came from but as they say, imitation is the purest form of flattery. That annoying guy David on Youtube is a Yildiz dealer and has stated unashamed that it's every bit as good as a Perazzi and how you can purchase your Pro from his gunshop.... as someone who has owned and shot a lot of guns I find that insulting to my intelligence based on the fact that it is not a proven design... yet.
As far as problems go, there will be problems surface with the Yildiz Pro, we just don't know what they're going to be yet. Maybe the barrels will separate from the monoblock or maybe the ribs will shoot lose, maybe those beautiful stocks will crack... who knows! The one thing we do know is that there will likely be some problem, maybe big and maybe small!
I certainly don't wish you any bad luck with your new gun pauls but myself and others have plenty to be sceptical about.
 
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I'm a gun nut...
I like to learn and talk about guns as much as I like to shoot them.
I'll state again, I have nothing to gain from changing anyone's mind about this gun, I just enjoy conversation on topics that interest me.

Used to watch the TSC vids as there's very little content out there, but as you mentioned that David guy is.... um, he's "on the spectrum" is the only way I can say it...
I question whether he should be allowed to handle firearms.
Haven't seen anything recent from that channel as the content is useless. An ad of some sort or just useless info.

And I totally get what your saying.
straight up copying another's design is questionable practice, but from a marketing perspective, people are talking about it, comparisons being made etc....and its not cutting into Perazzi sales so, to quote one of my favourite lines from the Simpsons, "Its a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark"
Plus there's only so many ways to reinvent the wheel so sooner or later you're just getting "reinterpretations" of the same thing.
 
I wouldn’t be so concerned about design copying. In fact, that’s what the entire gun industry is based on, and has been since the beginning of gunpowder. Patents run out, let the copying begin! Just about every boxlock is a copy. Just about every over/under is a copy. Autoloaders? Copies. Pumps? Copies. And so on. If you’re lucky, along the copying route someone has made improvements to the original, and made the copy even better.

What you want to avoid is the cheapening of materials and construction techniques, though guess what? That has been a mainstay of gunmaking since the very beginning as well. Finding ways to reduce costs in a very competitive business is to be expected. Let the buyer beware, and don’t believe what advertisers tell you! Look for quality in materials, construction, and finish, and don’t focus entirely on the name.
 
Designs are indeed commonly copied but for the most part not ascetics. Perazzi, Purdey, Kolar and others copied the Boss lockup but designed their own guns around it. Winchester, Remington, Springfield and many others copied the Mauser controlled round feeding and 90 degree bolt throw but that’s where the similarities in design end. As I previously mentioned, Yildiz made ( in my opinion) a deliberate attempt to copy the Mx8 very closely and I think this is an attempt to cash in on some one else’s hard earned reputation. Nothing illegal about it but ethically questionable as far as I’m concerned however if it doesn’t bother you then it doesn’t bother you.
 
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Designs are indeed commonly copied but for the most part not ascetics. Perazzi, Purdey, Kolar and others copied the Boss lockup but designed their own guns around it. Winchester, Remington, Springfield and many others copied the Mauser controlled round feeding and 90 degree bolt throw but that’s where the similarities in design end. As I previously mentioned, Yildiz made ( in my opinion) a deliberate attempt to copy the Mx8 very closely and I think this is an attempt to cash in on some one else’s hard earned reputation. Nothing illegal about it but ethically questionable as far as I’m concerned however if it doesn’t bother you then it doesn’t bother you.
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Take a good look at a Rizzini BR440. At first glance you'll think you're looking at an MX8 and you'll have to look hard to realize you are not. As Pinfire stated they all are copies at some point. If only someone would copy a TMX at a better price point. I'd jump on that like a duck on a june bug! :d
 
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