Anyone use Titegroup in 44 magnum?

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Received all my 44 mag reload equipment and components now.
Was planning on using titegroup as i already got 16 pounds in hand.

Was wondering who uses titegroup in that cartridge, how much of it you use, and if you know your velocity.

Used my campro 240gr load data, and just made 1 bullet so far.
Started at 9.0gr like their chart says, but casing looks awfully empty.
Wondering if so much air gap is actually a nuisance.

Quickly browsed a few american forums.
Few guys on there blaned TG for kabooms in magnums.
I guess if someone double charges he won’t admit.
 
Got Juice? said:
Tried it. Did not like how fast it was. plus it was snappy. Meters poorly, and the min/max charge weight is too tight for me personally. W296 or H110 is my preferred.
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Also found it too fast for the weight of all .44s. Love it for .357 though when I want to load at factory power. My go to powder for .44 is usually IMR4227. Easier to vary the loads and meters better. A screw up with Titegroup could really wreck your day. Remember the 3Cs of reloading with Titegroup, check, check, check again.
 
handofzeus said:
Also found it too fast for the weight of all .44s. Love it for .357 though when I want to load at factory power. My go to powder for .44 is usually IMR4227. Easier to vary the loads and meters better. A screw up with Titegroup could really wreck your day. Remember the 3Cs of reloading with Titegroup, check, check, check again.
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Yep and with such a tight min max charge weight, I could never trust the throws on my Dillon 550. ESP when loading on the stout end of the scale.

H110 meters like fine sand and is so forgiving and repeatable. Makes loading 44mag a pleasure. Never tried 4227 but I understand it works very well with 44
 
I used it briefly in 44 Mag cases for what Hodgdon used to refer as Cowboy loads, around 1000fps per their tables.

It worked well but I didn't find visual checking of loads practical and switched to 700X (TG is even a pain to me in 9 Luger, the only one of my calibers where 700X does not meter well enough).

Metering is good in an Auto-Disk, with disks, even with the smallest .30 hole.
 
H110 is the only powder I ever used with either of my 44mags.
Never had any issues and it shot clean and accurately. Also makes a nice fireball in the evening :p
 
The Speer No.14 manual has short barrel .44 magnum loads and lists Titegroup, 231 and Bullseye and states these loads do not produce maximum pressure.

I have loaded reduced loads of Titegroup, 231 and Trail Boss with cast, plated and jacketed bullets, in both .44 Special and .44 magnum cases.

I inputted the Titegroup loads into Quickload and it stated 100% of the powder is burned in the first three inches of barrel length, meaning far less kick and muzzle blast.

To be truthful I prefer reduced loads of Trail Boss because it is impossible to double charge the cases.

I use a RCBS Chargemaster 1500 and still double check the cases with a flashlight after charging all the cases in the loading block with these fast burning powders.

NOTE, the Chargemaster gives very accurate charges with a digital readout that leaves no doubt about the charge weight vs thrown charges.
 
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I've used it. .357 and it was ok, but seems weird to put so little powder in a case. Wouldn't use on .44 nag, H110 for me.
 
Thanks for all the replies.

Big Ed, what is this quickload you speak of?
Is it a reloading burning chart software?

If so, how would it rate 9.0gr titegroup, with a 240gr plated bullet, and a 5'' barrel (SW 629 classic).


Seeing that others have reloaded with titegroup and survived, I am willing to try it.
These American forums horror tales really had me doubting.
H110 would likely end up on my shopping list if I decide to ditch the titegroup idea.

Powder is dispensed in Lee auto-disk, on a single stage press.
I have an FX120 scale beside it.
Yesterday I did a test of 50 powder throws to see what gives.
Lee auto disk and titegroup combined, meters very very well, much better than varget.

At least 50-60% of throws we're spot on.
another 25%+ we're 0.02gr off.
The rest, which isn't all that much, we're 0.04gr off.
Respectable for something dropped, and not trickled.


This is campros reload chart.
Their max load also matches Lee max load.
Except Lee says to start around 4.5gr, which seems awfully low.

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bertn said:
Too bad I'm not from your area, I have a few pounds of H110 that I would trade for TG :(
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Yep so is life sometimes!
My titegroup is only purchased in 8lbs jugs, making small trade amounts impractical.
Titegroup is my IPSC go to powder as i'm too poor for VVN320
 
MartyK2500 said:
Big Ed, what is this quickload you speak of?
Is it a reloading burning chart software?
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QuickLOAD is an internal ballistics predictor computer program for firearms. And it has charts and graphs showing the pressure and velocity curves.

All the information is ballpark and you need a chronograph and tweak the powder burn rate until the velocity matches your chronograph. When this is done you will get more accurate chamber pressure readings.

The image below in the bottom left shows the pressure and velocity curve and the percent of powder burned. Example with Titegroup and a five inch barrel .44 magnum 100% of the powder is burned in less than three inches. "BUT" if you switch to 296 or H110 you will not get 100% burn even with a 20 inch barrel.

Quickload gives you more ballpark information than a reload manual, but even with a chronograph the chamber pressure readings are just computer generated guesstimates.

The good point of Quickload is showing the most efficient powders for a given barrel length. But the Speer manual gives short barrel loads and is far cheaper than buying Quickload and a chronograph.

My son sold me his S&W 29-5, he didn't reload and I think he didn't like the recoil of factory loads. The next time my son come home he shot the .44 with my reduced loads and wanted the S&W 29-5 back. I said "sorry" you need to learn how to reload your own ammo. ;)


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Quickload Reloading Software
Quickload Helps Assess Multiple Variables During Load Development
http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-reviews/test-quickload-review/
 
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bigedp51 said:
QuickLOAD is an internal ballistics predictor computer program for firearms. And it has charts and graphs showing the pressure and velocity curves.

All the information is ballpark and you need a chronograph and tweak the powder burn rate until the velocity matches your chronograph. When this is done you will get more accurate chamber pressure readings.

The image below in the bottom left shows the pressure and velocity curve and the percent of powder burned. Example with Titegroup and a five inch barrel 100% of the powder is burned in less than three inches. "BUT" if you switch to 296 or H110 you will not get 100% burn even with a 20 inch barrel.

Quickload gives you more ballpark information than a reload manual, but even with a chronograph the chamber pressure readings are just computer generated guesstimates.

The good point of Quickload is showing the most efficient powders for a given barrel length. But the Speer manual gives short barrel loads and is far cheaper than buying Quickload and a chronograph.

My son sold me his S&W 29-5, he didn't reload and I think he didn't like the recoil of factory loads. The next time my son come home he shot the .44 with my reduced loads and wanted the S&W 29-5 back. I said "sorry" you need to learn how to reload your own ammo. ;)


QuickLOAD_FullScreenP.png


Quickload Reloading Software
Quickload Helps Assess Multiple Variables During Load Development
http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-reviews/test-quickload-review/
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That is a nice piece of software.
I also reload 308, and could have quite a bit of fun doing ''what ifs'' scenarios!
 
MartyK2500 said:
Yep so is life sometimes!
My titegroup is only purchased in 8lbs jugs, making small trade amounts impractical.
Titegroup is my IPSC go to powder as i'm too poor for VVN320
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My H110 powder is also in a big full keg and I don't mind if it's in another can (as long as the label is right), it's more the shipping logistics for powder that makes it impractical.

Wow that quickload program looks cool!!
 
I use Titegroup for my light loads in 45 colt. it calls for 6.3 grains and you're right, it looks like there is hardly any powder at all in it. This is for a campro 250 grain jacked RNFP and it is consistant and repeatable groups to 50 yards. 100 yards it's not practical and I switch to Lil Gun or H110. My trick is that I use magnum large pistol primers for the slow burn powders like h110 and regular large pistol primers for the fast burns like titegroup.
 
Ridersfan said:
I use Titegroup for my light loads in 45 colt. it calls for 6.3 grains and you're right, it looks like there is hardly any powder at all in it. This is for a campro 250 grain jacked RNFP and it is consistant and repeatable groups to 50 yards. 100 yards it's not practical and I switch to Lil Gun or H110. My trick is that I use magnum large pistol primers for the slow burn powders like h110 and regular large pistol primers for the fast burns like titegroup.
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This is exactly what my research turned out to.
Titegroup is good for the light load stuff.

Going to get 2 pounds of H110 tomorrow and pull the ones I did with TG.
Was wanting to cut the amount of different components I have, but sometimes some choices are too obvious to ignore.
 
Alright, just got back from Cabelas, pretty much case closed got some H110.
And the number of data and threads available for H110 in 44mag is amazing, the search function will easily set me all up, compared to titegroup and lack of popularity for said cartridge.
 
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