Apex Trigger for an M&P9: Duty/Carry or the Whole Shebang?

Butcherbill said:
Are you new to pistol shooting or just new to the m&p? If it's new to pistols I suggest you take a handgun course and learn the fundamentals before you upgrade the trigger, I'm newer to handguns and a class did a world of difference for my shooting. Once I understood the fundamentals, (sight alignment, trigger control and follow through especially.) I found the m&p pretty accurate, it defiantly shoots better than I can lol.

If you're already good with shooting and know what the hell your doing try the diy trigger job first, all you have to loose is some time.

http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf
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I'm still fairly new to shooting, but I've done better with other pistols, like a Smith and Wesson revolver. I'll try the do-it-yourself job and then see how it goes. I'm also waiting for the basic handgun and holster courses to start up again at Target Sports.
 
jackrabbit000 said:
x2. The M&P trigger sucks, no comparison to a Glock trigger. Even on my Pro Series, it's no better than the standard M&P. Trigger has zero tactile and audible reset. It's a joke to buy the gun and then change out the trigger and add the RAM from Apex and change out the slide stop for a Gen 3. Buy a Glock and you're good to go out of the box.
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That's why no one manufactures any aftermarket parts for Glocks. No one would ever buy them because the guns are perfect out of the box! ;)

The Apex kits are awesome. I put the forward set sear and aluminum trigger in my 40L Pro Series and the competition enhancement kit in my 9. The action enhancement kit is excellent, the forward set sear and aluminum trigger is incredible.

I would recommend either. Yes they can be expensive but if you like the gun and plan on keeping it around a while it's money well spent. Don't worry about what the nay sayers are telling you. If they are going to pay the bill, then let them make the decision or buy you the gun that they like. If you want an M&P with Apex enhancements then I say go for it, shoot the heck out of it, and have a darn good time.
 
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nugunner said:
I'm still fairly new to shooting, but I've done better with other pistols, like a Smith and Wesson revolver.
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I think you will find that most quality revolvers will out shoot most typical semi's. I know my Model 66 and Redhawk are both lasers and the only semi I have that will run with them is a Ruger 22/45. Having the sights solidly mounted to the frame/barrel, a long sight radius and excellent SA triggers gives the revolvers a measurable advantage over your typical semi, especially the tupperware service pistols.


686 Shooter said:
That's why no one manufactures any aftermarket parts for Glocks. No one would ever buy them because the guns are perfect out of the box! :rolleyes:
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Laugh2

You almost kept a straight face, too.


Mark
 
nugunner said:
I'm still fairly new to shooting, but I've done better with other pistols, like a Smith and Wesson revolver. I'll try the do-it-yourself job and then see how it goes. I'm also waiting for the basic handgun and holster courses to start up again at Target Sports.
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Take the money you would've spent on the apex kit and take some classes, do the diy trigger job yourself. Money better spent on training and ammo then parts. You'll generally find revolvers shoot better than a semi auto as mmattockx already said.

Here are some before and after targets. Getting some real fundamental training was great for me, I'd like to take the level 2 course in the new year. All were shot between 7-10 yards if iirc, all with my m&p9.



 
I did the Burwell DIY with my M&P 40 and it made a huge difference.
I'm now finding that I want a little less 'break', so I'm going to go back and massage it a little more. Still at zero dollars.
It's a good platform that needs a little lovin' and I'm sticking with it.
*I've Nothing against the Glocks, they just don't feel right in my hands.

P.S. Nice groups, Butcher!
 
Butcherbill said:
Take the money you would've spent on the apex kit and take some classes, do the diy trigger job yourself. Money better spent on training and ammo then parts. You'll generally find revolvers shoot better than a semi auto as mmattockx already said.

Here are some before and after targets. Getting some real fundamental training was great for me, I'd like to take the level 2 course in the new year. All were shot between 7-10 yards if iirc, all with my m&p9.



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The first targets were shot by a guy with a gun, the last ones were shot by a shooter.
 
@Hoakster @enefgee, thanks! I really enjoy pistol shooting, runing the course of fire at the end of the class was a lot fun. I want to keep learning to shoot pistols properly, lots to learn still. Just need to find more spare time and ammo money to practice more. Not easy but it sure is fun when you see results.
 
yohann160 said:
What precisely is not to your satisfaction? Before dropping a couple bills on a aftermarket trigger you might want to consider polishing a few key parts. The Burwell trigger job can do wonders on a gritty trigger.
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I have a newer Pro Core 9mm. Rounding and polishing the USB made a big improvement in the feel of the pull. The Pro Core and recent Pro already have the performance sear, so only polish it with maybe some slight material removal on the rear lip. This will give a very nice 5lb or less pull. You will still have to deal with the longer reset. If you have the performance sear (easily identified by the shape of the forward edge), DO NOT REMOVE ANY MATERIAL from the top of the sear, as it already at the minimum thickness. I removed 0.012" and now the sear will not always hold the firing pin catch. :bangHead: When I did this I knew I may go too far, but I was planning to get the Apex FSS to get a better trigger with less over-travel and a shorter reset.

BTW, for a plastic gun, this one is very accurate!
 
Butcherbill said:
Report back when and if you re work the stock trigger.
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I got some time tonight to do some work on the M&P45. I removed the mag safety, polished the trigger bar where it bears on the firing pin block and the sear, removed material from the sear lip and polished it, beveled the front area on the sear where the trigger bar bears on it to reduce over travel and polished the sear engagement area on the striker. Pull weight only dropped a bit to maybe 5-6lb, but the break is much crisper now and over travel is reduced a bunch as well. Definitely a noticeable improvement and worth the hour or so it took me. Burwell Guns weren't kidding when they said it was an easy gun to work on. It was a piece of cake to break it down and get everything back together. No loose springs or other parts to make reassembly a swearing proposition.

I didn't have a sight pusher handy or I would have also reshaped the firing pin block while I had it apart. I will get to that next week sometime. I haven't touched the top of the sear yet, either and I will probably remove ~0.010" to drop the pull weight some more and make the break crisper again. If I can get the pull weight down around 4lb with a nice, crisp break I will be very happy with it.


Hoakster said:
*I've Nothing against the Glocks, they just don't feel right in my hands.
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Mine too. I have a gen. 4 G19 and it fits my hands very well (I have small hands) but the G17 doesn't work nearly as well for me and the G21 is similar to a 2x4. The M&P45 feels better to me than a G17 and I really like shooting .45 Auto so it is a great fit for me.


Mark
 
I installed the APEX AEK tactical/Duty kit a year ago.
And recently installed the M&P APEX FSS Trigger and RAM system.

My only regrets? Did not installed the trigger and RAM earlier. I say go for the whole kit. You get a real good improvement with the AEK kit but it gets even better with the trigger and RAM. I went polymer BTW. I heard the aluminum trigger has more squared edges and not as comfortable.

Amazing now. And with this trigger you remove a lot of pre travel and you can adjust the over travel easily. Reset is very short and now very tactile and audible. 4.5lbs at the moment. I could use the stiffer trigger spring or sear spring to bring it back above 5lbs.

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VIDEO with everything installed:


cheers
 
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I've had the DCAEK in my M&P for quite a while now and frankly I think it's awesome. Trigger feels great, gun shoots like a laser beam. Only thing lacking is the tactile/audible reset but it's really not a big deal for me, the reset is so short anyway. I think it's money well spent, and I prefer it to messing with the stock trigger components personally.
 
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