Approved ATC in BC - calibres approved, does this protect my handguns?

[geologist]

I received my ATC for BC today.

They approved all of the handguns that I included on my application:

Ruger SRH .454 Casull, Llama .357 magnum, S&W Model 12 .38 Sp and my GLOCK 17 9mm.

The lighter handguns are for when the big bears are gone for the winter but cougars and of lessor concern, wolves are still out and about.

Now that the federal government officially recognizes my need for these handguns to do my job and to pay my taxes, would this ATC protect me from confiscation should a future Lieberal government ban (like they said they would prior to the last election) either semi-autos or all handguns owned by civilians?

 

[Ike]

Now that the federal government officially recognizes my need for these handguns to do my job and to pay my taxes, would this ATC protect me from confiscation should a future Lieberal government ban (like they said they would prior to the last election) either semi-autos or all handguns owned by civilians?

Good question, I hope we never have to find out.

 

[markl]

in their eyes you've proven a need so i think you'd be okay,

but it's not going to come to that!

 

[Xman]

You don't really care about the answer, you just wanna rub it in that you get to carry, don't you pal?

 

[geologist]

You don't really care about the answer, you just wanna rub it in that you get to carry, don't you pal?

Actually I mean to encourage more HG owners to apply and qualify for their ATC's. The more of us who have ATC's, the tougher it will be to justify the ANTI's usual refrain of "Only the mililtary and police should have handguns in Canada.". And the tougher it will be for ANY government to outright ban civilian owned handguns.

Get interested in mineral prospecting in your area. Take a prospecting course, get a prospecting licence, learn about the mineral deposits in your area (these include gravel deposits - industrial minerals like clay etc.) and then apply for your ATC. Prospect for minerals and then stake some mineral claims either hard rock or placer depending on the nature of the geology of your area. Present your findings/showings to the exploration departments of mining companies.

It'll help the mining industry to discover new deposits that will enrich Canada.

It's a win-win situation.

 

[tiriaq]

Who knows? For employment related carry, perhaps only business/employer owned pistols would be allowed, not personally owned ones - similar to the security company situation now.

 

[waynesixgun]

I think maybe UTAH CCW permits may help as well.

 

[Xman]

Actually I mean to encourage more HG owners to apply and qualify for their ATC's. The more of us who have ATC's, the tougher it will be to justify the ANTI's usual refrain of "Only the mililtary and police should have handguns in Canada.". And the tougher it will be for ANY government to outright ban civilian owned handguns.

Get interested in mineral prospecting in your area. Take a prospecting course, get a prospecting licence, learn about the mineral deposits in your area (these include gravel deposits - industrial minerals like clay etc.) and then apply for your ATC. Prospect for minerals and then stake some mineral claims either hard rock or placer depending on the nature of the geology of your area. Present your findings/showings to the exploration departments of mining companies.

It'll help the mining industry to discover new deposits that will enrich Canada.

It's a win-win situation.

Good idea! A couple of questions for you:

1. Do I have to work for a company in order to do what you suggest or will they issue an ATC to an individual? Is the permit issued to you directly or to you through the company?

2. What are the limitations of your ATC?

 

[skycrane]

Good idea! A couple of questions for you:

1. Do I have to work for a company in order to do what you suggest or will they issue an ATC to an individual? Is the permit issued to you directly or to you through the company?

2. What are the limitations of your ATC?

Good question. I know that you are not allowed to un-holster your restricted gun while out in the woods. Unless a bear or what not is attacking you. So you can't shoot the gun at all. Legally anyway.

Can you bring the gun on airplanes without a problem etc? I guess you can transport the gun anywhere in your vehicle as you are going to work etc.

 

[rgv]

Good question. I know that you are not allowed to un-holster your restricted gun while out in the woods. Unless a bear or what not is attacking you. So you can't shoot the gun at all. Legally anyway.

Can you bring the gun on airplanes without a problem etc? I guess you can transport the gun anywhere in your vehicle as you are going to work etc.

As soon as you are issued the ATC, you need to ask for an ATT (separate from your 'approved shooting range' ATT. This will get issued immediately and you are legal to travel anywhere, anyhow that your ATC is good for.

Just a hint for air travel though, keep your paperwork where it is easy to get to, and never ever ever volunteer more info to the check-in agent, other than asking politely for a 'firearms declaration' card. I flew on commercial flights in BC more than 20 times this year with a pistol and never had so much as five minutes delay.

As far as Scare-Canada and their $50 fee, never pay for it in advance with -your ticket, because at check-in they only make you pay it less than half the time (at least at YVR last fall)

 

[BEARMAN]

An ATC can be acquired for more occupations than GEOLOGY, or PROSPECTING. I know of three different jobs or businesses . One was doing a type of RIVER fish counting on contract to fisheries, don't know whether it was FED or PROVINCIAL. An other was guiding tourists to a Grizzly area for pictures and fishing. An other was I guess called timber cruising, this fellow hiked through the woods checking out the areas they would be logging and try to figure out the most efficient way to do it. All three were in the woods on business alone or with people that needed protection.

 

[geologist]

An ATC can be acquired for more occupations than GEOLOGY, or PROSPECTING.

Very true Bearman. And every ATC issued, strengthens our position against future legislated handgun bans.

So if you qualify, apply for one NOW!

 

[markl]

i was considering the prospectors lisense for a few months now, i guess i'll get on that. any links on where to apply?

 

[johan]

Do mag limits i.e. 10 rnds for your G17, still apply for your pistols?

 

[geologist]

i was considering the prospectors lisense for a few months now, i guess i'll get on that. any links on where to apply?

Start here:

http://www.em.gov.bc.ca/subwebs/mtonline/part2_how_work/04_acquire/part2_04_02.asp

 

[geologist]

Do mag limits i.e. 10 rnds for your G17, still apply for your pistols?

I didn't ask about obtaining full capacity magazines for my G17. Anyone have an answer on this before I contact the CFO?

 

[geologist]

Good idea! A couple of questions for you:

1. Do I have to work for a company in order to do what you suggest or will they issue an ATC to an individual? Is the permit issued to you directly or to you through the company?

2. What are the limitations of your ATC?

I am self-employed so the ATC is issued to me.

The limits on my ATC are that the HG cannot be concealed and it cannot be drawn from the holster except for defense of life.

 

[rgv]

further to bearmans post, for the purposes of ATC applications, the CFO for BC recognizes two reasons to be in 'remote areas';

1) you are there for fun

2) you are there because you are earning money or intending to earn money (like timber cruising, prospecting with the expectations to find gold, or taking photographs with the expectations to sell them to a magazine)

They will isssue them without much to-do to those in #2 category, provided you complete the required paperwork, can prove proficiency, and can come up with a reasonable explanation as to why a long-gun is impractical. They will not issue them for #1 category, regardless of how you 'feel' you have any sort of rights in Canada to protect yourself.

 

[Uwish]

I didn't ask about obtaining full capacity magazines for my G17. Anyone have an answer on this before I contact the CFO?

An ATC does NOT allow you to possess prohibited magazines. The only groups allowed to have more than the standard 10 round mags are police (including conservation officers etc) and military.

The ATC just allows you to carry your restricted firearm (handgun in this case) somewhere other than the range, and it still has conditions attached to it like: must be holstered at all times, can only be used when prospecting or whatever the reason you applied. It is not an open licence to remove the pin from your 17 round GLOCK mag.

I am wondering if we should start a thread about type 3 ATC. That way we could have all the info in one spot. I can't seem to find a thread for type 3 ATC (Personal Protection). I have also written the Alberta CFO's office to find out what the requirements and qualifications are for this type of permit. I had a lawyer friend of mine write it for me since I can find no information on the CFC website about it and it states nothing on the ATC forms. He said that having this type of permit available but no documentation or application outlining the qualifications or conditions required to apply for one is illegal.

I mailed the letter yesterday...I will keep you posted.

 

[IM_Lugger]

The only groups allowed to have more than the standard 10 round mags are police (including conservation officers etc) and military.

anyone knows how/where to apply for a conservation officers' job?