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I have an original late 50's Armalite AR10 manufactured in the Netherlands and was wondering if it is suppose to have a spring on the firing pin. Mine is missing one and the information from Armalite is sketchy because they only know about the more recent manufactured ones. Nobody there would give me a definitave answer. Does anyone know if it should have a spring on it?

Sorry for the post, I will bump this to a different location as the AR10 wasn't a "main" battle rifle.
 
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Hi. Original rifles are prohibited 12(3) rifles. If you don't have the permit, you have a problem.
"...information from Armalite..." Totally different company. Nothing whatever to do with the original. The current rifles aren't exact copies either.
"...the AR10 wasn't a "main" battle rifle..." It was in a few countries. Guatemala, Burma, Italy, Cuba, Sudan and Portugal all bought 'em. A few were made in 7.62 x 39 that went to Finland and Germany for tests too.
Two original mags were on Gunbroker at $187US.
Been a very long time since I had one in my hands. The Sudanese rifles that came through the shop, long ago, still had sand in 'em. Don't remember if it had an FP spring or not. Can't find an exploded drawing anywhere. These guys might be able to tell you for sure. Mostly about the current rifle though.
http://www.ar10t.com/index.php
 
Thanks for your replies. No issues with the permit as I have them for this and several Israeli C/A FAL's. Since they arn't issuing ATT's to firing range for these 12(3) firarms anymore it may not be an issue for the sake of safety for me but I wanted to be certain the rifle is complete in working order. BTW, when I did shoot it back in the early 90's it was grouping just over an inch at 100 yards, functioned flawlessly but had one hell of a kick probably due to its rather light weight. Mine is a ex -Sudanese import with the plastic foam reinforced fiberglass brown handguard and stock with bayonet lug.

Would the firing of non military ammo be an issue (softer primer)? I presume the normal .308 sporting ammo has a softer primer an could possibly induce a slam fire scenario?
 
Thanks for your replies. No issues with the permit as I have them for this and several Israeli C/A FAL's. Since they arn't issuing ATT's to firing range for these 12(3) firarms anymore it may not be an issue for the sake of safety for me but I wanted to be certain the rifle is complete in working order. BTW, when I did shoot it back in the early 90's it was grouping just over an inch at 100 yards, functioned flawlessly but had one hell of a kick probably due to its rather light weight. Mine is a ex -Sudanese import with the plastic foam reinforced fiberglass brown handguard and stock with bayonet lug.

Would the firing of non military ammo be an issue (softer primer)? I presume the normal .308 sporting ammo has a softer primer an could possibly induce a slam fire scenario?

ive heard lots of stories of guys shooting them back in the day but never of a slam fire, but they only made about 10k, imported ~200 into canada, and several of those were re-exported to israel, so its a small chance id ever hear of it unless it happened all the time, and those were the days of cheap surplus 7.62, so i dont know if much commercial ammo ever went through any of them
 
I fired several thousand rounds of 7.62 from mine and probably a couple hundred .308 rounds and no issues other than a nasty failure to extract (.308)that required a rod to ram the round out of the chamber. I sure miss shooting it. (sigh)
 
I've had about three dozen of the OLD original AI built AR 10s, both Sudanese and Portuguese.

I've fired several thousand rounds through these old timers, mostly cheap 7.62 NATO ball, but also lots of factory .308 WIN, mostly 168 gr MATCH ammo,
and at least a thousand rds of my own reloads. In my experience, the older AR 10s often shot 7.62 NATO BALL ammo just as accurately as they did the 168 gr Match .308 Win ammo.

If you intend to reload for the AR 10 rifles [ and also the M14 rifles] both of which have floating firing pins with no springs, I would advise using the HARDEST commercial primers you can find, as both the M14 and the AR 10 design will lightly dimple the primers when they feed the round into the chamber. If you use the stronger/thicker 7.62 NATO brass, make sure you carefully remove any crimp in the primer pocket.

If you shoot reloads through these type of rifles, always check each primer by running your finger over the back of the loaded cartridge, to make sure the primer is FULLY seated, below the end of the case. When I reload for the AR 10 and the M14, I usually seat the primers with a LEE hand tool, which provides a very CONSISTENT "FEEL'. And if you use 7.62 NATO brass for your reloads, remember it is thicker, so drop your max loads down accordingly.

For all these reasons, rather than reloading, I prefer to shoot cheap Walmart/ Canuckistan Tire or Gunshow bargain factory ammo out of my semi auto rifles.

NOTE: because of the stronger / better rotating bolt design, the AR 10 rifles can handle heavier bullets better than the M 14. My newer style DPMS built AR 10/ R25 shoots factory Winchester 200 Gr Silvertips under 1". It also shoots 125 gr factory ammo into about the same size. And the same for 168 gr Match.

BTDT,
these opinions are based on my own persoanl experience,
however,
YPMMV
LAZ 1
 
"...using the HARDEST commercial primers..." Regular primers, seated properly, work just fine.
The guys that bought 'em out of the shop had no issues with any ammo.
"...those were the days of cheap surplus 7.62..." Everything being relative. Pay scales were much lower in the early 80's too. Don't recall exactly what a case of ammo went for, but it was more than I could afford.
 
"...using the HARDEST commercial primers..." Regular primers, seated properly, work just fine.
The guys that bought 'em out of the shop had no issues with any ammo.
"...those were the days of cheap surplus 7.62..." Everything being relative. Pay scales were much lower in the early 80's too. Don't recall exactly what a case of ammo went for, but it was more than I could afford.

ive heard stories of buying surplus ammo by the bag (in a paper bag, just scooped em from a loose, mixed lot bin) for much less than commercial ammo was worth by the same old farts, ive also heard of nato "style" ammo, from a brand called PMC that was pretty cheap. im not sure if the primers were military grade or not
 
OR,
WAYYyyyyyy back in the day,
if you were a member of DCRA,
you got to shoot NATO spec issue 7.62 ball at the matches.
[;{)
BTDT
AND @ 600 YDS, my AR 10 shot better with the ball than with the 168 grs.
 
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