AR-180B
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Totally different design. Uses a gas piston, the AR-15 uses direct gas impingement. The AR-180B has the advantage of using some of the same trigger mech components as the AR-15, plus it uses AR-15 mags.
It was originally intended that the AR-18 would be easier to mass manufacture than the AR-15, and might appeal to countries with less in the way of manufacturing infrastructure and skilled machinists.
So of course they ended up making it in the UK, the US and Japan, well-known for being deficient in those areas. And thus, it was a failure.
Really it never got going because the AR-15 was being churned out in such huge quantities, and the US Military Assistance Program was selling them at a price that Howa and Sterling couldn't compete with. Plus the Japanese government became rather anal about granting export licenses.
Lot of guns based on it. Like this one.
It was originally intended that the AR-18 would be easier to mass manufacture than the AR-15, and might appeal to countries with less in the way of manufacturing infrastructure and skilled machinists.
So of course they ended up making it in the UK, the US and Japan, well-known for being deficient in those areas. And thus, it was a failure.
Really it never got going because the AR-15 was being churned out in such huge quantities, and the US Military Assistance Program was selling them at a price that Howa and Sterling couldn't compete with. Plus the Japanese government became rather anal about granting export licenses.
Lot of guns based on it. Like this one.
As far as non-restricted black rifles go, the AR180B is the cheapest in Canada. By cheap I mean cost wise, not quality. It is a great little utility rifle and can be dressed up rather nicely. More and more after market parts are coming out for the AR180B with every passing day.
There is a company in the states developing and RIS system that can be attached to the 180B with no modifications.
There is a company in the states developing and RIS system that can be attached to the 180B with no modifications.
Midwest Industries is making these up. www.midwestindustriesinc.com
The rail system is in the early stages of developement, no idea when it will be ready. I heard 3 weeks?
The rail system is in the early stages of developement, no idea when it will be ready. I heard 3 weeks?
I still can't figure out why no one has yet started to make an AR-15 styled upper for the unit. From the outside it sure doesn't <look> like it would be that hard to match the mating surfaces, location and size of the takedown pins as well as general geometry of the trigger mechanism (how many internal parts of the lower come in direct contact/interaction with the upper anyways ? I can't see it being more than 2 or 3 so in theory at least it should be THAT much of a redesign.).
Cost, lack of sales, no reason too. You'd be better off making a whole new type of rifle, like say, an XCR. :lol:
I've been dreaming of this for a while. If some one made an upper that took AR15 barrels, used a T charging handle and had a dust cover, I'd cream my jeans. The AR15 reciever is shorter than the AR180B, I used to have a picture comparing the two.
One I get my maching ticket, expect tons of neato things for the rifle. :lol:
Pretty much what I have in mind. Even if the AR-15's upper is a hair or two longer than the AR-180B's as long as the portion that sticks out is in the front, the bottom part could be closed up so dirt doesn't get in, and then hidden inside a longish handguard.Armedsask said:
The buffer issue would be the least of your worries. No one said AR15 uppers. AR15 style uppers. There is no reason you couldn't make an AR180B upper with the AR15 features. I'm going to attempt it once I have a machine shop to play in.
Pardon my ignorance (and the hijack of my own thread), but what is the purpose of the above-mentioned buffer and tube in the AR-15 anyway ? It's just a big spring that isn't attached to any moving part. The only thing I could think of is that it could help to keep the recoil forces more or less in a straight line, which <might> improve controllability in full-auto fire, NOT a concern in the application being envisioned here ...
I assume you don't know how the AR15 works. The bolt recoils into the buffer tube. The buffer is at the back of the tube to stop the bolt from slamming into that back of the buffer tube. I think it cuts down on recoil.
Speaking of buffer tubes and the AR180B, I'm having Josh over at Storm Werkz make me up one of his Type 2 stock adapters but I'm having him move the bufffer tube mount higher so it's in line with the barrel. So basically, I can mount an M4 stock and it will be inline with the barrel. Should be slick.
Speaking of buffer tubes and the AR180B, I'm having Josh over at Storm Werkz make me up one of his Type 2 stock adapters but I'm having him move the bufffer tube mount higher so it's in line with the barrel. So basically, I can mount an M4 stock and it will be inline with the barrel. Should be slick.
Armedsask said:
You were right, I don't. I did fire a couple of them at CGN meets but never took one appart
. So in other words, the AR-180B uses a conventional recoil-spring design while the AR-15 uses a more advanced buffer/tube contraption, am I getting this right ?
