I am pretty reluctant to post here, since I don't think I could give a very good review technically. I wrote this to another member to give some overall impresions of these out of the box and he suggested I put it up.
I expect some will slagg me, but not everyone can afford the Elcans and ACOGs. So all are clear, I have used the AR since the CF came out with them including the Elcan. To quote Toby Kieth, "I'm not as good as I once was,,,".
Just a fast update as both the AR-332 and the CMR came in. First impressions anyway.
AR-332
Size and weight wise a touch smaller and lighter than my service Elcan, yet 3 power vs 3.4 power is a pretty good value for the price. Easy to attach to handle or rail. Woah there! Looking through the sight indoors I could only think why is the reticle so small? I could barely see the circle nevermind the BDC drops! (It helps to focus on something beyond six feet distance in a bedroom.) Anyway, I read the pamphlet, battery in and out to the front porch.
Aaaaah distances, that's better. The eye relief is a good two inches, I am not used to that. Pretty comfy actually. (For the army I have to put my face to touching the Elcan.) I can keep both eyes open if needed. The field of view is huge. Now focusing on an object at a hundred yards I can easily see the reticle far more distinctly.
Turning on the various light settings in red and green, the attention draw to that focus is instant. I like how the colours fade from the background object from coloured to black as needed with contrast changes. Funny, they put the brightest settings first and not last though?
Large diameter allows lots of light through. The three power is actually pretty good for mid distance to say 500m and even more. When focussing on distance, the smaller BDC circles are easy to pick out now. Being so small, they will not blot out the target like the oversized red dots. If needed as a CQB, I can always rely on the lit and coloured circle, but I think it will play itself out in value at ranges over 200m.
A darn good value for the money!
CMR
It is a 1 to 4 variable power 24mm scope with BDC for 5.56mm drop out to 800m. Same as above, read the pamphlet, battery in and out the front door.
Similar eye relief of near 2 inches. One power is good with both eyes open and horseshoe reticle lit up as a simple red dot. It easily draws and focuses the eye to the center of the horseshoe. Four power is very good. The reticle is horseshoe shaped with an open bottom. Either side is a horizontal line with mil marks like taught in the army. (milliradians) There is a vertical line beneath the centre for BDC for every 100m up to 800m! The width of each cross mark is the measure of 19 inch across at each respective distance for instant measuring of target. (shoulder to shoulder across like an ACOG)
Quite a good value again. Only problem might being getting an appropriate cantilever type mount that pushes more sight forward of the upper reciever in order to get more eye relief.
The only things comparable to the AR-332 are fixed power ACOGs, Elcans and IORs. Each one a ridiculous price. (especially given my mediocre shooting ability) Having the three power puts it beyond any red dot, and adding the BDC puts it in competition with the forementioned at a quarter or less of the price.
The CMR is comparable to variable power Trijicons 1-4-24 or the Burris XTR 1-4-24. Daresay I compare it to the Spectre DR or Pitbull? Again, it is a quarter the price of any competitor. It may not be a thousand dollar optic, but I am not your Olympic competitor either. It could more probably be called a militarized Millet DMS or Falcon. Again, a very good value for the money.
Both were bought from Wolverine and can be found for $390 and $359 each!
No, I will not be ruckmarching or giving these extremely harsh treatment. But,,, my wallet is still talking to me.
I know some people wil get livid about my choice of comparisons. Let's be blunt. I fight with rings, nevermind how badly I get along with playing with turrets and then keeping a book for drops and ranges and weights et cetera. I want to hear things go bang as I make casings and have no interest in listening to some physicist talk about trajectories. So, the BDC markings might not be exact, but the are good enough for a fig 11. Secondly, I don't expect to be in any sandbox anytime soon.
Now to mount them and get to play with each.
I expect some will slagg me, but not everyone can afford the Elcans and ACOGs. So all are clear, I have used the AR since the CF came out with them including the Elcan. To quote Toby Kieth, "I'm not as good as I once was,,,".
Just a fast update as both the AR-332 and the CMR came in. First impressions anyway.
AR-332
Size and weight wise a touch smaller and lighter than my service Elcan, yet 3 power vs 3.4 power is a pretty good value for the price. Easy to attach to handle or rail. Woah there! Looking through the sight indoors I could only think why is the reticle so small? I could barely see the circle nevermind the BDC drops! (It helps to focus on something beyond six feet distance in a bedroom.) Anyway, I read the pamphlet, battery in and out to the front porch.
Aaaaah distances, that's better. The eye relief is a good two inches, I am not used to that. Pretty comfy actually. (For the army I have to put my face to touching the Elcan.) I can keep both eyes open if needed. The field of view is huge. Now focusing on an object at a hundred yards I can easily see the reticle far more distinctly.
Turning on the various light settings in red and green, the attention draw to that focus is instant. I like how the colours fade from the background object from coloured to black as needed with contrast changes. Funny, they put the brightest settings first and not last though?
Large diameter allows lots of light through. The three power is actually pretty good for mid distance to say 500m and even more. When focussing on distance, the smaller BDC circles are easy to pick out now. Being so small, they will not blot out the target like the oversized red dots. If needed as a CQB, I can always rely on the lit and coloured circle, but I think it will play itself out in value at ranges over 200m.
A darn good value for the money!
CMR
It is a 1 to 4 variable power 24mm scope with BDC for 5.56mm drop out to 800m. Same as above, read the pamphlet, battery in and out the front door.
Similar eye relief of near 2 inches. One power is good with both eyes open and horseshoe reticle lit up as a simple red dot. It easily draws and focuses the eye to the center of the horseshoe. Four power is very good. The reticle is horseshoe shaped with an open bottom. Either side is a horizontal line with mil marks like taught in the army. (milliradians) There is a vertical line beneath the centre for BDC for every 100m up to 800m! The width of each cross mark is the measure of 19 inch across at each respective distance for instant measuring of target. (shoulder to shoulder across like an ACOG)
Quite a good value again. Only problem might being getting an appropriate cantilever type mount that pushes more sight forward of the upper reciever in order to get more eye relief.
The only things comparable to the AR-332 are fixed power ACOGs, Elcans and IORs. Each one a ridiculous price. (especially given my mediocre shooting ability) Having the three power puts it beyond any red dot, and adding the BDC puts it in competition with the forementioned at a quarter or less of the price.
The CMR is comparable to variable power Trijicons 1-4-24 or the Burris XTR 1-4-24. Daresay I compare it to the Spectre DR or Pitbull? Again, it is a quarter the price of any competitor. It may not be a thousand dollar optic, but I am not your Olympic competitor either. It could more probably be called a militarized Millet DMS or Falcon. Again, a very good value for the money.
Both were bought from Wolverine and can be found for $390 and $359 each!
No, I will not be ruckmarching or giving these extremely harsh treatment. But,,, my wallet is still talking to me.
I know some people wil get livid about my choice of comparisons. Let's be blunt. I fight with rings, nevermind how badly I get along with playing with turrets and then keeping a book for drops and ranges and weights et cetera. I want to hear things go bang as I make casings and have no interest in listening to some physicist talk about trajectories. So, the BDC markings might not be exact, but the are good enough for a fig 11. Secondly, I don't expect to be in any sandbox anytime soon.
Now to mount them and get to play with each.
