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Tried my best to research the topic, but still have some questions.

Interested in an AR build, but I know nothing about them, which is why I want to build one! No better way to learn right? lol. My stripper Aero lower is on its way! Ok so not really interested in discouragement, rather just some sources of information on assembly/builds. Are there any CGN threads that document this well or outside sources? Are there any steps along the way which require a gunsmith? (ie: Barrel installation?) I do have a AR qualified friend, but he spends half his time out of country and I would like to do as much of this on my own as possible.

Points to note:

-I am in NO rush whatsoever and intend to do this by purchasing most parts used from EE
-As per above, budget IS a serious concern
-Despite how this email sounds, I am a fairly competent individual, who will not do anything unsafe or reckless.


Thanks for any help you provide.
 
First things first. Required bits to build an AR all by yourself:

- AR combination wrench (with barrel nut and castle nut wrench)
- roll pin punch set (makes life easier, but a regular punch set and/or patience will still get the job done)
- vise
- AR 15 upper/lower vise blocks
- Barrel vise blocks
- anti-seize
- loctite (optional)

So on to the parts list:

stripped lower receiver
- lower parts kit

- carbine buffer tube
- castle nut
- end plate
- carbine buffer
- carbine length recoil spring
- carbine stock
OR
- rifle length receiver extension
- rifle buffer
- rifle length recoil spring
- rifle stock

stripped upper receiver
- upper receiver parts kit (ejection port door assembly, forward assist)
- barrel
- barrel nut
- gas tube & gas tube roll pin
- bolt carrier group
- charging handle
- gas block*

*Depending on your barrel choice, you may or may not have a fixed front sight integrated into your gas block. If you have a fixed front sight, you'll need a front sight kit if your barrel doesn't come with one. If you'd like to run classic style or magpul handguards, you'll need a handguard end cap and a delta ring assembly on your barrel nut.

If you are not running a fixed front sight, most will tend to go with a low profile gas block and a free float rail, which may or may not require a proprietary barrel nut.

Before I continue ... let me know what direction you're going in. Collapsible stock? Fixed stock? Fixed front sight? Fixed rear sight (carry handle)? Free float rail? Etc
 
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If you're good with tools, and are not new to working on and cleaning guns in general, you should be fine.
Building an AR is less complicated then say, taking apart the trigger group of a pump action shotgun for a deep cleaning and re-lube.

No need for a smith, just a few special tools. You're going to need a big a$$ vise, so pay attention to your Canadian Tire flyers for sales. I scored the biggest one they sell for $33 one day and it made all the difference for torquing up the barrel nut.

There are lots of videos on youtube which can guide you thru' any parts you can't already visualize yourself.

There is nothing you can really do while building the AR that is unsafe and reckless. It's more a question of, how skilled are you with tools, and what experience do you have working with them. Aluminum is a lot softer then steel, so you have to mind your torque values.
 
YES! This is the stuff I was looking for, much appreciated!

I was thinking collapsible stock, flat top, no fixed sights, free floating rail. Thinking a short barrel CQB style setup (11.5-14).

Does that seem reasonable?

IYO is there any things worth buying assembled? I would like to have as much hands on time as possible with this build, but also dont want to cross the line of stupidity when it might make more sense just to get some things already done?
 
That sounds like a pretty standard AR build.

Sometimes lowers are worth buying assembled, cause you can get deals on them on the EE. You already have your stripped lower tho'.

The only part that gets really difficult (in my opinion) is bolting up the barrel nut. You pretty much cannot do it without the proper tools and a very large vise, I would not even recommend trying, cause either you won't get it on tight enough, or you'll damage the upper trying.
 
The warranted confidence of the intelligent mind can be the key to overcoming any lack of experience and learning on the fly.

I'm pro at building AR's not, despite the fact that I had never owned one, nor even so much as shot one, before attempting to build my own.
However, I had been shooting for years, worked in depth many times on guns before, and had plenty of experience work with tools, and on aluminum, from rebuilding dirt bikes and what not.
 
Honestly, I would like it to remain as 'standard' as possible this time. Save the custom fancy stuff for after I learn the basics. For the barrel nut what is the challenging part? Holding the rifle solid while getting adequate torque on the nut I seem to be getting? Is there a torque spec? Vice of appropriate size is no issue, I have access to a well equipped welding shop.
 
Yeah, pretty much that, holding it for put the torque into. It's anywhere between 35-80 ft/lbs depending on where the nut grooves line up. Most my uppers typically took between 55-65lbs.

The non standard stuff it not much more complicated then the standard stuff. For instance, you can use a normal delta ring forestock, or a free float forestock, either way, you're still torquing on a nut, just a different kind of nut.
 
Oh, remember then the AR is restricted, and you need a permit to bring it anywhere. You can bring your uppers to the welding shop to work on, but the lower will have to be done at home. A small clamp on desk vise should be more then enough for that tho'. The only thing I'm unsure of it how much torque a carbine buffer tube takes, I've never installed one. My lower has a UBR stock on it which uses a proprietary buffer tube.
 
FWIW.... It's good to have a good running AR first, to see how they work, and what makes them "tick"... However, there's nothing wrong with just diving in... There are lots of guys here that'll give some pretty good advice/help... Also a wealth of intel on the web, Brownell's tutorials come to mind. I used them for reference on my build. Jäger's list is pretty good... I think one of the biggest points of advice I can give, is make a list of what you want. This also includes what you intend to do with it, this will help you to keep focused on your build and avoid scope creep. Once you have that, then you can deviate a little based on cash on hand and parts availability. I found as I built my rifle (a DMR build) I found myself distracted by attractive SBRs.... So I just put together another list, and have that for a later project...

Good luck, have fun! Post pics!
 
all the tools are easily sourced from brownells, and there are plenty of youtube vids for assembly techniques. ar15.com is a good source for info as well. when assembling your lower or upper, or any firearm for that matter take the time to put some tape on the part(s) that may get scratched up or damaged if you slip with the punch or screwdriver. immediately after you have completed the task remove the tape because some adhesives and tapes are very difficult to remove if left on for a while. good luck.
 
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I was thinking collapsible stock, flat top, no fixed sights, free floating rail. Thinking a short barrel CQB style setup (11.5-14).

I recommend following a guide online with photos, or watching a few assembly videos first so that my instructions make more sense.

So you'll need

stripped lower receiver
- lower parts kit

- carbine buffer tube
- castle nut
- end plate
- carbine buffer
- carbine length recoil spring
- carbine stock

stripped upper receiver
- upper receiver parts kit (ejection port door assembly, forward assist)
- barrel
- barrel nut
- gas tube & gas tube roll pin
- bolt carrier group
- charging handle
- low profile gas block
- muzzle device & crush washer

Step one is assemble your lower. First thing to do is look over your lower parts kit and make sure all your parts are present. Depending on the lower you bought, you may or may not require the trigger guard & trigger guard roll pin.

-Install the mag match

-Install the bolt catch spring & buffer, then the bolt catch paddle and carefully tap in the appropriate roll pin

-Install the pivot pin spring, pivot pin detent and pivot pin (insert from the right)

-Install the trigger guard & trigger guard roll pin if necessary

-Place the trigger spring onto the trigger, insert the disconnecter spring into the top of the trigger and drop the trigger into your lower. Now place the disconnecter into the trigger and hold it carefully while you push in the trigger pin from the side of the lower. It doesn't matter which side the notch on the trigger pin is.

-Install the hammer spring onto the hammer and place the hammer into the lower with the tails of the hammer spring sitting on either side of the trigger on the trigger pin. Install the hammer pin. It doesn't matter which side the notch on the pin is on...only the middle notch on the pin is relevant for the hammer.

-Install your safety (from the left) ensuring that the detent holes on the safety are on the right side of the receiver.
-Install your safety selector detent & spring, then install your grip to lock it into place. As you screw in the grip, watch the safety detent spring to ensure it finds the channel in the grip.

-At this point it would be wise to do a function check. Place your thumb on the hammer and #### it. With the safety off, pull the trigger while blocking the forward travel of the hammer. Hammer release? Check. While holding the trigger down, re-#### the hammer. It should catch on the disconnecter. Feel the click? Hammer retained? Release the trigger now. Hear a click? Hammer retained? Check. Flip the safety to on, and pull the trigger. Nothing happen? Good.

-Install the rear takedown pin from the right.

-Install the takedown pin detent and spring from the rear of the receiver

-Install the buffer catch pin and spring

-Place your castle nut (notches to the rear) onto your buffer tube and screw it all the way back. Place the end plate onto the buffer tube with the indexing nub on its "tail" facing the lower.

-Thread the buffer tube into the lower, carefully watching both the rear takedown pin detent spring and the buffer catch pin. Continue threading the tube in until the buffer tube reaches the buffer catch pin. Depress the catch pin so that it clears the buffer tube and thread the tube in another rotation or two so that the lip of the tube holds the pin in place with the pointed part protruding past the lip. The buffer tube should be as close to the pin as possible without pushing forward on it while the tube remains in the correct upright position.

-Ensure your rear takedown spring has remained in place and push the end plate into the lower receiver to lock it in. Tighten your castle nut finger tight.

-Place your lower into the lower receiver vise block and using your AR combination tool or AR carbine stock tool, torque that sucker down! I don't use a torque wrench for this I just give it a good crank and I haven't had one come loose on me yet. You may use blue loctite on the threads of the buffer tube if you feel that's necessary.

-Take your buffer and recoil spring and insert the tail of the buffer into the spring. Carefully feed the spring into the buffer tube. Once the "lip" of the buffer reaches the buffer catch pin, you should be able to just push it in. No significant force should be required for this. Your buffer will have 3 flat areas on its rounded circumference. Rotate the buffer so that one of these flat areas is overtop of the buffer catch pin and it should move past the pin easily. Once clear of the pin, the pin will rise up under spring pressure and retain the buffer.

-Install your stock on the buffer tube.

Your lower is complete!

Now onto the upper.

-Install the forward assist assembly

-Install the ejection port cover assembly

-Place your barrel into the receiver

-Put anti-seize on the upper receiver's barrel nut threads. This prevents galling and makes barrel removal much easier.

-Place your upper receiver into an upper receiver vise block, and subsequently into a vise. Make sure the vise is clamped/screwed down or you are able to apply sufficient force to the vise to keep it in place.

-Using your barrel nut wrench/AR combo wrench, torque the nut down. As mentioned above, the amount of torque applied can vary, but you want one of the notches in the barrel nut to line up with the hole in the top of the upper for the gas tube. This will require a bit of finesse.

-Install your gas tube into your gas block. Using a roll pin punch to push the gas tube roll pin in makes life easier

-Remove your upper from the vise and install your gas block on the barrel. Take a look down the long axis of your gun to ensure that the barrel nut is correctly indexed. You do not want your gas tube canted to the right or left. Once satisfied, tighten down your gas block set screws. I use blue loctite on these screws.

-Install your free float rail. Depending on the brand, it might require a proprietary barrel nut so you'll have to adjust the instructions accordingly.

-Place your barrel in a set of barrel vise blocks. Your upper receiver block is not a substitute for barrel vise blocks. Place your crush washer over your muzzle threads with the fat end facing your muzzle device. Tighten your muzzle device down by hand and then, depending on your device, you may use your AR combo wrench or the appropriate wrench to tighten it. I try for 180°-270° of "crush".

* Depending on your barrel length, you may need to install your muzzle device before your free float rail. Be sure to measure how much barrel surface your barrel vise blocks require before proceeding. Always ensure you install your gas block before your muzzle device! It might be necessary to put the gas block on the barrel before installing the gas tube and to place the barrel vise blocks on the portion of the barrel between the barrel nut and gas block. This was necessary for my 11.5" but not my 14.5".

-Install your charging handle into the rear of the receiver. It has nubs on either side near the front that will only permit it to get into its channel at one point in the upper receiver. Find this point and push it about halfway to the closed position.

-Take your bolt carrier group and install it into the rear of the receiver with the gas key riding in the channel on the underside of the charging handle.

-Install your sights/optics, using loctite if you deem it necessary.

Upper complete.

-Install the upper onto the lower with an empty magazine.

-Function check the bolt catch/release.

-Remove the magazine and function check the charging handle.

-Check the safety and trigger assembly all over again.

-Using a snap cap or casing, function check extraction and ejection.

-Using a snap cap or other kinds of dummy rounds to function check feeding.

If I've left anything out, someone chime in. Hopefully I've been helpful and feel free to PM me with any questions you may have or any problems you run into along the way.

The four ARs pictured below were all assembled by me using the tools & methods I listed. All function flawlessly.

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I've been reading that you need to check headspace as well, in the detailed instructions you typed, I didn't see that. Is that not a vital step?

I've been looking at the DPMS AR-15 toolkit from AR15parts.com for $299, thinking it might be a good investment before I get into my build. I've got a complete upper from spikes, barrel coming and a DD LPK, stripped NEA lower which has me nervous after reading about them being out of spec, so I'll check that when it arrives.
 
I've been reading that you need to check headspace as well, in the detailed instructions you typed, I didn't see that. Is that not a vital step?

There are 3 schools of thought on that. Those who think it's absolutely necessary, those who think you should be when mixing brands or using brands of lower reputation, and those who think it is unnecessary. I adhere to the school of thought that it's not strictly necessary. The bolt of an AR locks into the barrel extension. If the bolt closes, it's headspaced to tolerance. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. If it makes you feel better and you want more tools in your war chest, then it certainly doesn't hurt.

my_2_cents said:
I've been looking at the DPMS AR-15 toolkit from AR15parts.com for $299, thinking it might be a good investment before I get into my build. I've got a complete upper from spikes, barrel coming and a DD LPK, stripped NEA lower which has me nervous after reading about them being out of spec, so I'll check that when it arrives.

All four of the above rifles run on NEA lowers. The beauty of the AR15 design is that the receiver is unstressed. You're in no danger when you analyze what the complaints relate to. The "out of spec" complaints primarily come from people #####ing about how the hole for the roll pin for the bolt catch/release is too large (it is...had to resize roll pins on all four lowers), and the lower not necessarily mating with all uppers (mine are all tight with no noticable wobble). People also seem to complain about the machining and the finish...which is here and there. On two of the lowers the machining is great; on the other two there are lots of marks. The finish also varies in quality between the four. Also, before assembling mine, I've taken a drill bit of the appropriate size and spun it by hand to clear burrs/crud out the channels for the bolt catch buffer, takedown & pivot pin, and the detents. Some people would say that's unacceptable.

I don't take my ARs for tea & biscuits with the Queen, so I don't really care. Some would disagree and demand more value for their money. That's your call as the consumer.

The type of aluminum NEA uses actually differs from the standard forgings in a positive way. It has a greater probability of bending under stress than cracking/shattering, which translates to a more contained kaboom in the event of a catastrophic malfunction.

For my 14.5", the trigger failed to reset a handful of times during its first few mags. If I moved the safety from off to on, the trigger would reset. After the first few mags this stopped happening and hasn't happened since. So I attribute that to initial break-in and no fault on the part of the rifle. The BCG and LPK in this case were DPMS.

On my 18", it doubled 3 times in 3 mags during its first outing. The LPK was from Dlask and the BCG was an NEA. Hasn't happened since then, hundreds of rounds later. I attribute this to initial break-in again (probably too much oil).

Other than those two break-in incidents, I have yet to have any failures to feed, fire, eject, or any other malfunctions. So in 2,000+ rounds between the four so far they function flawlessly.
 
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Thanks. I don't plan on having a display queen either, but for a first AR build I'm hoping things fit well. Thank you very much for your help.
 
There are 3 schools of thought on that. Those who think it's absolutely necessary, those who think you should be when mixing brands or using brands of lower reputation, and those who think it is unnecessary. I adhere to the school of thought that it's not strictly necessary. The bolt of an AR locks into the barrel extension. If the bolt closes, it's headspaced to tolerance. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

That is not a correct analysis of headspace being in or out of tolerance.

A barrel and extension machined to correct dimensions will always come to correct headspace with a correctly machined bolt, but lots of things leave factories incorrectly machined, and a $20 no-go gauge is worth it when you are dealing with 60,000 psi a few inches from your face.

Whether or not the bolt closes has nothing to do with the headspace being in spec.
 
A barrel and extension machined to correct dimensions will always come to correct headspace with a correctly machined bolt, but lots of things leave factories incorrectly machined,

That's where buying quality name brand components comes in to play.

This is true tho'. You don't have to worry about headspace, IF, the manufactures did their job right. If you happen to end up with the one bad apple that slipped past QC you could be in trouble. That's a worst case scenario tho', the way AR's work, I figure something would have to be quite grossly out of spec for a disaster to happen.

If the headspace is too tight, the bolt won't close, and if it won't close, it "shouldn't" fire.
If the headspace is a bit too loose, the brass will stretch to fit, and will otherwise function safely. The danger comes from reloading where accelerated wear will cause head separation a few reloadings down the line.
If the headspace is WAY too loose, depending on how the bolt engages the round, and how the round indexes in the chamber, it may not fire, if it does, that when a gun becomes a grenade.

You'll likely be fine. I would also recommend not loosing sleep over it, you're just as likely to win the lottery.
If you're placing an order with someone who has the tool in stock, go for it if you feel the need.

I don't have a headspace tool, but know some tricks as a reloader that I've used.
 
For my 14.5", the trigger failed to reset a handful of times during its first few mags. If I moved the safety from off to on, the trigger would reset. After the first few mags this stopped happening and hasn't happened since. So I attribute that to initial break-in and no fault on the part of the rifle. The BCG and LPK in this case were DPMS.

On my 18", it doubled 3 times in 3 mags during its first outing. The LPK was from Dlask and the BCG was an NEA. Hasn't happened since then, hundreds of rounds later. I attribute this to initial break-in again (probably too much oil).

Other than those two break-in incidents, I have yet to have any failures to feed, fire, eject, or any other malfunctions. So in 2,000+ rounds between the four so far they function flawlessly.

Damn, I never had any break in glitches. Probably supports my use of quality components.

Only time my rifle ever hiccuped was the fault of the ammo. MFS sucks, and I mostly reload, so, experiments with determining minimum and maximum loads.
 
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