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Im looking at getting an AR10.

I have heard Armalite has mag problems but the rifle itself is better than the DPMS.

I am looking for something that is very accurate under MOA if possible.

Please give me some recomendations and why you are recomending.
 
DPMS? Isn't that an FN/FAL derivative? If so, then you'll only be able to enjoy it in the US. Prohibited and no transport permits if in Canada.

The AR10 is an excellant basis for an accurate rifle. As with any expensive rifle, the owners start with high expectations. Hopefully you won't be disappointed. As for magazines, I recall a long time ago seeing that Armalite did have mag problems. Their solution was to bring that part of the production back under their control and go with new build parts.

It may be comforting to know that many police forces and the CF use AR10s are their precision rifles.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
DPMS? Isn't that an FN/FAL derivative? If so, then you'll only be able to enjoy it in the US. Prohibited and no transport permits if in Canada.

The AR10 is an excellant basis for an accurate rifle. As with any expensive rifle, the owners start with high expectations. Hopefully you won't be disappointed. As for magazines, I recall a long time ago seeing that Armalite did have mag problems. Their solution was to bring that part of the production back under their control and go with new build parts.

It may be comforting to know that many police forces and the CF use AR10s are their precision rifles.
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LOL. DPMS is a company that makes AR15s and AR10s along with accessories.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/
 
DRAGONSLAYER said:
Im looking at getting an AR10.

I have heard Armalite has mag problems but the rifle itself is better than the DPMS.

I am looking for something that is very accurate under MOA if possible.

Please give me some recomendations and why you are recomending.
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I am sure Armalite did have a problem in the pass, but all the bug been grind out, I shoot the knight arm SR25 state side and was very impress with it, but found out that there are few thing better in the Ar10T than the Knight model, also look at the Ar10 dpms, look to be very rough, this one here are my second Ar10 armalite, it will do haft to quarter inch at 100meter(Varget 43grain, 168grain BTHP&168Grain Amax), I shoot this gun 3 time at the genesee range in Edmonton, and was able to hit the six inch gong at 500meter, it as accurate as my stock rem700Pss and Savage 10FP LE, I am very happy with it, and I am sure you will also...



also here are the website, check it out before make the big decision on it!

http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/sr25var10/

Hope this help!


Gunboy
 
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I have an Armilite AR-10T. There were some mag issues with the early models. The followers and springs were the problems. They caused last round FTF and some stovepipes. Armilite has replaced the followers and put in better springs and that has solved the issues. I believe there is an even newer mag version out that is even better (simplified the 3 piece follower to a 1 piece).
As for accuracy, I have had sub MOA groups with match or handloaded ammo and shot my rifle to 1100m @ 18" plates with no issues.

I love it :D

just my 2 cents :sniper:
 
BCPilotguy said:
Do you have a reference for this? Perhaps one of our currently serving members can comment, but I don't believe that the CF uses the AR-10 as a precision rifle or otherwise.

-Brodie
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From one of those refs:

When operating in a three-or four-man team, snipers also may prefer a short-range rifle, said Williams. The Canadian Army is looking into procuring a 5.56 mm M-16 type rifle. The service also is testing a new version of the 7.62 mm sniper rifle, similar to the AR-10. Sharpshooters in Afghanistan are using that weapon, said Williams.

The Parker-Hale 7.62 mm sniper rifle has reached the end of its lifecycle, said Williams. The service is trying to replace it with a rifle than can fire .338 caliber rounds. “That rifle is pretty much the same weight [as the Parker-Hale]. The recoil is the same, but we have farther distances. We hope to get out to 1,200-1,500 meters with this new round,” said Williams. The main sniper weapon currently is the McMillan .50 caliber rifle. "

The AR has the advantage of looking very similar to the C7. Unless a person is a really skilled rivet counter, it just looks the same, especially with all the attachments the guys are using.

I also know the Ottawa Police use them because there was a newspaper photo of some ERT guys on foot going to put down an injured moose somewhere in the city a few years ago. And my first reaction to the picture was, 'Hope those idiots know where to hit a moose with a 5.56', until I did a double take.
 
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I have an Armilite AR-10T. There were some mag issues with the early models. The followers and springs were the problems. They caused last round FTF and some stovepipes. Armilite has replaced the followers and put in better springs and that has solved the issues. I believe there is an even newer mag version out that is even better (simplified the 3 piece follower to a 1 piece).
As for accuracy, I have had sub MOA groups with match or handloaded ammo and shot my rifle to 1100m @ 18" plates with no issues.

I love it :D

just my 2 cents :sniper:
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The early model ar10t had a few problem, I remember it wasn't just mag, follower and springs, but they did had a problem with the bolt and bolt carrier also, I had to send mine in for an upgrade at wolverine supplies, they exchange for a new and improve one, as far as the Dpms ar10 go, they are quite rough but at the same time quite accurate, that was my option to get another one, but the dealer had to wait for 6 months to get one.


Gb
 
So armalite is more accurate than the DPMS.

What are some of the other differences, like internals, mags and reliability.
Im looking for a sub MOA rifle out to 300 yards for now until i can shoot comfortably and then 600-1000. Im looking at an AR10 as the rifle will be for sniper type cometitions so fast follow up shots. I know i can get a mag kit for a remington or buy an AICS but ive heard that the gas guns can be just as accurate as the bolt guns now days.
 
I cannot comment on the DPMS, BUt one thing I can say is that they are as accurate as Armalite or knight, there are few buddy of mine own them in the state, and they square by it, one got a 260rem in DPMS ar10, and he is very happy with it, He end up sold all of his bolt action rifles, excepted a M40 which he inherited from a family member. any way they are accurate, but it still up to the shooter, mine armalite got a 24inchs stainless barrel, but I do see one in 20inch and very accurate...
 
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BCPilotguy said:
Do you have a reference for this? Perhaps one of our currently serving members can comment, but I don't believe that the CF uses the AR-10 as a precision rifle or otherwise.

-Brodie
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As far as I am aware in a Sniper Det the Sniper has the .338 and then either the spotter or the det comander has an AR10 in some cases tho i belive they are just using C7CT's... not to mention there are designated marksman postions within the platoon with AR10's Havent seen it myself... maybe someone recently back from you know where would know for sure???
 
There's nothing rough about the DPMS. Replace the stock trigger with a Rock Rivers National match and it's ready to shoot. These rifles will shoot sub .5 moa at 100 yards with the right ammo.

The finish on the DPMS is very good. There was however a slight gap between the upper and lower on my rifle. While not being bad it's still not perfect. This doesn't affect accuracy.

Also with the lack of a shell deflector and dust cover the DPMS looks pretty slick. The A2 stock is also more aesthetically pleasing than the one on the Armalite. Although the Armalite does have rubber on the buttstock (you lose the trap door) and has room for minor adjustments to the length. With the weight of these rifles the plastic on the regular A2 stock isn't a problem. But it would still be nice to have the rubber.

The DPMS also has a raised rail, while the Armalite is flat. Some people don't like this. I found it made mounting a scope a lot easier. Cheek weld and comfort were perfect on the DPMS. I haven't scoped the Armalite yet, so I can't do a direct comparison. But it seems with the DPMS you can use lower rings than with the Armalite.

I haven't shot my Armalite yet. The version I have is set up the same as a Canadian DND rifle. IE the badger ordnance handguard and a black bull barrel. It looks decent and the fit of the upper to lower is perfect.

The Armalite match trigger is Ok, but the RRA NM trigger I had installed on my DPMS is better. After dry firing, the Armalite trigger seems to be getting even better. It's good enough that it's not worth replacing, but still not as good as the RRA NM.

The Armalite mags are decent, but I prefer the DPMS ones. The DPMS mags are slightly thicker and feel sturdier. The Armalite mags have a metal follower while the DPMS ones have metal with a plastic molded piece on top. The DPMS ones look to be a better design due to the weird bends and sharp edge sticking out at the back of the Armalite follower.

Cost: The Armalite AR-10T rifles are generally $1000 more than a DPMS LR-308. The mags are the same cost for both rifles.
 
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"Do you have a reference for this? Perhaps one of our currently serving members can comment, but I don't believe that the CF uses the AR-10 as a precision rifle or otherwise"

How's this: (Note these pictures have been published elsewhere, and to my knowledge there are no Opsec issues with them, if you are aware of any issues please tell me and they will be deleted)
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