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hey guys ive been doing months of research and have been reading posts left right and center. ive decided to take the AR15 plunge.
im looking to spend 1500(altho less wouldnt be bad!) and ive narrowed down my choices to a few. now i know that asking people which is the better AR is the gmc/ford/dodge argument all over again(ford btw). but if you guys could give me some helpful insite on these next few that would be great.
1. stag arms 2r govt.
2 SW mp15 w/16 inch and collapsable stock
3 RRA - Mid-Length A4 with 1/2 Quad Rail (on sale at questar)

now the things that are important to me are warranty/support.(i hear stag and smith are good)
as good as accuracy can be w/ a 16 inch as ill be blasting around 200/300 yards mostly
best "bang for buck"
please give me a hand picking here!
thanks guys Alex
 
the elite is a little too costly for me. and as for the ATH id prefer a 16barrel and i dont want to wait for custom order haha im to impatient!
 
from what i understand both the smiths and stags have a lifetime warranty. i know armseast will do stag work/parts and from what i understand the smith work is done by somebody in BC?
living in AB bc is deffinatly more convenient if thats the case.
 
also does anybody know where one could find a 16inch norinco? i have had one of their pistols and that thing was tough. i have read some great reviews on the norinco from guys on here but how will it be for a bit longer distances?
 
Norcs only come with 14.5 inch barrels in their carbine configuration. The only way to get a 16 inch is to build one. I like my Norc but if I was going to build a carbine, I would not use this as a base.

Another cost saving option may be buying used off of EE, but then you are into the patience game.
 
Other options you haven't considered are to build one which will come in cheaper than $1500 if you shop around. I think Dlask also sells an M4-gery for under $1500.

It's hard to beat the $1500 Stag M4-like gun though. Good gun at a nice price. Unless you must have a 14.5" barrel, that is.

I've seen the S&W M&P 16" as cheap as $1299 recently, but be aware it will not have a collapsible stock or threaded muzzle for that price - of course if you were going to change the stock anyhow, that might not be a bad deal for you.
 
is it cheaper to build one? ive been looking around and it seems that to buy complete uppers and lowers the price exceeds the "pre assembled" price. wheres a good place to find the parts?
 
You don't need a 16" barrel to shoot 300 yds.

What kind of "warranty and support" do expect to need for a gun? In my 25 years of owning firearms I have never needed either from a gun manufacturer. During my time working in various gun stores I have only seen one or two warranty issues which IMO would not justify making a decision on a firearm based only on the manufacturer's warranty.
 
Bolivar said:
Norcs only come with 14.5 inch barrels in their carbine configuration. The only way to get a 16 inch is to build one. I like my Norc but if I was going to build a carbine, I would not use this as a base.

Another cost saving option may be buying used off of EE, but then you are into the patience game.
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Is your Nork from the last batch that is fully parkerized or one of the earlier ones?

How well does it shoot?

What is it that you don't like about it to use as a base for building upon?

I'm thinking about getting one as my first AR should I look elsewhere?
 
Canadian_Cowboy said:
is it cheaper to build one? ive been looking around and it seems that to buy complete uppers and lowers the price exceeds the "pre assembled" price. wheres a good place to find the parts?
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I got 1 on the EE that almost costed $4,000 and selling it for $2,000. Even if you get a Norinco & try to tick it out to this level it still would be saving some $$$.
 
thump_rrr said:
Is your Nork from the last batch that is fully parkerized or one of the earlier ones?

How well does it shoot?

What is it that you don't like about it to use as a base for building upon?

I'm thinking about getting one as my first AR should I look elsewhere?
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New batch. I got it last fall. Fit and finish is fine IMO. I am not that into how my rifles look on a pretty scale (I tend to be a bit clumsy and get the occasional ding on things, so ugly to start means I don't feel so bad).

Shoots pretty good to me, with decent ammo. I am getting a bit under 2 MOA with MFS. Under 3 with my hand loads to date but these are for CQB (max 35 yards) so I am using the cheapest components I can find. (Bulk Remington 55 gn FMJ, H335 powder, WSR primers and scavenged Win brass).

Later this year I was planning to work on more accurate loads for it in case I decide to get into the Service Rifle game.

As for a build, from a parts compatibility thing I would go with NA receivers. That way there is less doubt when you buy parts. Or maybe I am just spending too much time listening to the Norc haters on CGN;)
 
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I wouldn't mind if the Norc ambi mag releases were available separately for builds though... I hate paying over $100 for a stupid ambi-release.
 
Canadian_Cowboy said:
from what i understand both the smiths and stags have a lifetime warranty. i know armseast will do stag work/parts and from what i understand the smith work is done by somebody in BC?
living in AB bc is deffinatly more convenient if thats the case.
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What? Out smith work is not done by someone in BC.
Our smithing is done right here, in house.

We pay shipping on warranty work and we do VERY little warranty work.

If you purchase Stag Arms rifle in Canada, it is warranted in Canada. Lifetime to the original owner.

I do know a good AR15 smith in BC though.

Regards,
DT
 
thump_rrr said:
Is your Nork from the last batch that is fully parkerized or one of the earlier ones?

How well does it shoot?

What is it that you don't like about it to use as a base for building upon?

I'm thinking about getting one as my first AR should I look elsewhere?
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I'm getting 2-3 MOA from factory ammo (hornady 55 v-max the best remington 55grn FMJ the worst) and 1-1.5 MOA with my handloads (68 grain hornady HPBT Match over 25 grns Varget. These are 5 shot groups at 100 yards, rifle in a rest.

Consistant groups under 1.5 moa is excellent for a budget AR and I'm very happy.
 
Bolivar said:
New batch. I got it last fall. Fit and finish is fine IMO. I am not that into how my rifles look on a pretty scale (I tend to be a bit clumsy and get the occasional ding on things, so ugly to start means I don't feel so bad).

Shoots pretty good to me, with decent ammo. I am getting a bit under 2 MOA with MFS. Under 3 with my hand loads to date but these are for CQB (max 35 yards) so I am using the cheapest components I can find. (Bulk Remington 55 gn FMJ, H335 powder, WSP primers and scavenged Win brass).

Later this year I was planning to work on more accurate loads for it in case I decide to get into the Service Rifle game.

As for a build, from a parts compatibility thing I would go with NA receivers. That way there is less doubt when you buy parts. Or maybe I am just spending too much time listening to the Norc haters on CGN;)
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Definitly not advisable to use pistol primers in a rifle round due to the much higher pressures involved. The cup thickness of pistol primers makes the primer far weaker, increasing the chance of a blown primer.
 
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