Are CCI and Federal primers packages of 1000 the same size?
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Something from the late 80's to early 90's, issues with their softer cups, and a shipment handling problem. (forklift perhaps)
CCI used to pack their primers in tiny boxes with the primers touching in each row. RWS packs them loose in a cardboard tray. As long as the pass 1.4S it really doesn't matter
Feds have be giant trays for year. There may have been an "incident"
Feds have be giant trays for year. There may have been an "incident"
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I had heard somewhere, can't remember the source now, that Federal did indeed have an accident that caused them to massively overreact and change to mega size packaging.
A forklift rammed hard and deep into the middle of a skidded pallet of primers, and there was a noisy chemical reaction...
A forklift rammed hard and deep into the middle of a skidded pallet of primers, and there was a noisy chemical reaction...
Also, if I'm not mistaken, Federal uses single based (or sort of) igniting material as opposed to other companies that use double based. This makes them ignite more readily and reliably along with being more sensitive to impact.
Must be the reason Lee doen't recommend using them in their priming systems
Must be the reason Lee doen't recommend using them in their priming systems
SB and DB are terms used in nitro powders, not primers. Primers are always compounds of various chemicals.Also, if I'm not mistaken, Federal uses single based (or sort of) igniting material as opposed to other companies that use double based. This makes them ignite more readily and reliably along with being more sensitive to impact.
Must be the reason Lee doen't recommend using them in their priming systems
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That could be right. I had been told that they conducted a "worst case scenario" out in the desert somewhere with a full pallet of primers and posibly a forklift. The ensuing fireball with the conventional compact packaging is what caused them to redesign their packaging. I've always shied away from Federal primers due to the packaging. I found it very wasteful. I'd actually like to see what a pallet of primers looks like when it explodes, and if pacakging makes a difference. But I'd like it much better if I could just have the pallets of primers in my reloading room.
Looks like we may have an urban legend on our hands. I'll go see what snopes.com has to say about this.
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, Federal uses single based (or sort of) igniting material as opposed to other companies that use double based. This makes them ignite more readily and reliably along with being more sensitive to impact.
Must be the reason Lee doen't recommend using them in their priming systems
From some of the older guys who have been around reloading longer that I've been alive.........Richard Lee had some kind of a falling out with Federal a long time ago. Ever since then, he's been bashing their product. Politically motivated, rather than an actual safety issue.
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So they use the oversize novelty packaging so you need less primers to build a fort out of primers. It's was staring me in the face the whole time!
Why would you withhold this critcal, need to know, information?
Federal's single based priming formula makes it less vulnerabe to lot to lot variation.
When it comes to Richard Lee and Lee Precision. The guy is a tool, his company produces cheap garbage that can't even be made crappier in China, and eels the need to run down other manufactuerers like Federal and Dillon Precision to make his products look less junky.
Why would you withhold this critcal, need to know, information?
Federal's single based priming formula makes it less vulnerabe to lot to lot variation.
When it comes to Richard Lee and Lee Precision. The guy is a tool, his company produces cheap garbage that can't even be made crappier in China, and eels the need to run down other manufactuerers like Federal and Dillon Precision to make his products look less junky.
Here's a pic I took last time this question came up
Holy $*#@! Next you're gonna tell me there's only 100 in there LOL.
I love the compact packaging of the CCIs, and if it's safe enough for them, it's safe enough for me.
Oh yeah. That must be the case. My Lee 1000, cheap as it is has cranked out probably 15K rounds so far. No mechanical breakages. Obviously you are highly biased in your opinion.
As for the Lee/Federal snafu, Lee has bee advocating against Federal primers for over 25 years.
As I once read (And just found again) on another forum.
Go ask Mysticplayer how junky his equipment is, I'm sure he'll disagree that the Cheap Lee stuff he wrote about with his custom F-Class rifle is junk.
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No, you are right. I am biased. I prefer quality over price. I always have. Money has never really flowed into my pockets, every dollar I have is hard earned. So when I make a purchase, I'm willing to scrimp and save to get something of quality. My Dillon 550 has lasted me 15 years and over 40,000 rounds of various calibers with zero wear. A good friend of mine whom I shoot with has over 100,000 on his 650. Best part is, the resale of this item will never be less than new price unless I take up a crack habit and need quick cash. I puchased a few Lee goods right out of the gate almost 17 years ago when I started handloading. They resulted in heavily leaded barrels from garbage bullet lube, worthless bullets from the moulds, stuck cases, and a broken Lyman reloading press from their s**tty lube. Not to mention having to buy multiple shellholders for the Auto-Prime which cost me more in the end. After the debaucle with the ancillary products, then seeing the company itself try to debaste other manufacturerers with smear campagains, it quickened my resolve to never again buy a Lee product or endorse its use.
I had to throw out about $300 worth of reloading goods (in 1992 dollars) because I could not in good concience resell them even at a loss, or curse someone else with it. How's that for value? So yes, I am biased. If you want to rant on like some mainiac, then I have a word of advice for you that I cannot put on an open forum. You will have to PM me for more details, or if you want I'll let you have my phone number so you can get from the horses mouth.
I had to throw out about $300 worth of reloading goods (in 1992 dollars) because I could not in good concience resell them even at a loss, or curse someone else with it. How's that for value? So yes, I am biased. If you want to rant on like some mainiac, then I have a word of advice for you that I cannot put on an open forum. You will have to PM me for more details, or if you want I'll let you have my phone number so you can get from the horses mouth.
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