Agreed, This comes up every once in a while, and I don't think that the cops can search your mail in your trunk if you are pulled over. 2) I'm pretty sure your local post office will not appriciate you opening up the package infront of everyone to do ACTS/PROVE.
ATT for buying online
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I always enjoy these threads and I'm pretty sure I'm right. What logic???
Me. "Hey honey, whats in the parcel you picked up at the post office?"
Wife. "I don't know, its addressed to you, I didn't open it."
Me. "Oh lookie, my new pistol is here!"
Wife. "What did you say?"
Me. "Nothing dear".
See now my wife and I open each others mail so that would not be a good thing. Doesn't The "oh lookie my new pistol is here " indicate you have a new toy and thus draw attention to the fact of spending the money dangerous ground there.
I thought that most online gun retailers who sold firearms included the ATT with the package. So that way, it is covered by that ATT (from sellers address to your address), as until it arrives at your house it is en route under that ATT, so picking it up at the PO is covered under that ATT as it is still en route. I believe I was told this by Kevin at EPPS.
- Location
- SW Ontario
Now that makes sense to me.
If you call and ask the people at the Ontario CFO's office you'll be told that you need to get a STATT specifically to allow you to pickup the gun at the specific postal office where it's waiting and take it "home" from there.
When we sell you a gun we don't need an ATT to ship it because the gun is picked up at our location by Canada Post and Canada Post is a licensed carrier (they have their own Transport Permit). They are licensed to deliver it to you door and you don't need any ATT for all of that to happen.
The issue is when they don't deliver it to you, but ask you to pickup at their outlet.
Most people work under the theory that if Canada Post doesn't deliver to their door and sends them a notice to pickup, then they don't know what it is until they get it home so they "can't" get an ATT before hand... but the CFO (in Ontario) says you know when you are getting a gun and you should know that the item in the package you have been notified to pickup is in fact a gun and therefore you know enough that you can (and should) get a STATT before you go to pickup at the post office.
At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what me or anyone else on here says... all that matters is what the CFO says and what they decide if they choose to charge you... if that happens then all that matters is what the judge decides.
For all that it takes... get the ATT... my 2 cents worth.
Mark
When we sell you a gun we don't need an ATT to ship it because the gun is picked up at our location by Canada Post and Canada Post is a licensed carrier (they have their own Transport Permit). They are licensed to deliver it to you door and you don't need any ATT for all of that to happen.
The issue is when they don't deliver it to you, but ask you to pickup at their outlet.
Most people work under the theory that if Canada Post doesn't deliver to their door and sends them a notice to pickup, then they don't know what it is until they get it home so they "can't" get an ATT before hand... but the CFO (in Ontario) says you know when you are getting a gun and you should know that the item in the package you have been notified to pickup is in fact a gun and therefore you know enough that you can (and should) get a STATT before you go to pickup at the post office.
At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what me or anyone else on here says... all that matters is what the CFO says and what they decide if they choose to charge you... if that happens then all that matters is what the judge decides.
For all that it takes... get the ATT... my 2 cents worth.
Mark
I agree 100% with above - 1) because he is correct, and 2) because that is what the CFO will tell you.
You can takes your chances if you want, but you will pay if you get charged.
The ATT is free. You dont even need to wait for the fax, all you need to do is write down the number and if you are stopped, give the LEO the number. So why not do that?????
You can call from the Post office and have the number in 2 minutes.
Whats the big deal?
You can takes your chances if you want, but you will pay if you get charged.
The ATT is free. You dont even need to wait for the fax, all you need to do is write down the number and if you are stopped, give the LEO the number. So why not do that?????
You can call from the Post office and have the number in 2 minutes.
Whats the big deal?
In BC the CFO includes a 30 day ATT with every restricted transfer approval, the ATT covers from and to addresses, therefore the firearm is under an ATT when you pick it up from the post office until you get it home. At least in my experience.
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Thanks for all the input guys I really appreciate it, now will an STATT take long to acquire the day you receive the notice of pick up or is it a matter of " OK heres your STATT # be on your way and get your gun", or the typical Ontario
wait 9 months then you can go pick it up?
Mike
Thanks for all the input guys I really appreciate it, now will an STATT take long to acquire the day you receive the notice of pick up or is it a matter of " OK heres your STATT # be on your way and get your gun", or the typical Ontario
wait 9 months then you can go pick it up?Mike
They will fax or email it to you,on the spot.Thanks for all the input guys I really appreciate it, now will an STATT take long to acquire the day you receive the notice of pick up or is it a matter of " OK heres your STATT # be on your way and get your gun", or the typical Ontario
Mike
Thanks for all the input guys I really appreciate it, now will an STATT take long to acquire the day you receive the notice of pick up or is it a matter of " OK heres your STATT # be on your way and get your gun", or the typical Ontario
Mike
Short Term ATT's are processed separately from LTATT's and done quite quickly... but I wouldn't wait for the last minute to request one.
You know when you've bought a gun and usually you know when it's been shipped to you... you probably have a tracking number and you can get (on-line) a delivery estimate from Canada Post. You would normally know what postal outlet is your "pickup location" for items that can't be delivered to your house (not there to sign for it, etc.)... so with that information contact the CFO a few days ahead of time and ask for a STATT... since you don't know 100% the exact day it will arrive at the outlet and be picked up ask them to date the STATT so that you have a 3 or 4 day period to go pickup there... that way you are covered and you'll have your STATT ahead of time.
If it turns out you are home when Canada Post comes and you don't end up needing the STATT then it's really no big deal... but if you need it you'll have it in hand.
Mark
Scott Bear
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"In BC the CFO includes a 30 day ATT with every restricted transfer approval, the ATT covers from and to addresses, therefore the firearm is under an ATT when you pick it up from the post office until you get it home. At least in my experience."
I live in BC and have NEVER heard of this. I always call for an STATT to pickup and deliver. How would they know what post office it is going to be delivered to? Would they really spend the time looking up the address and guess at what time you are going to pick it up at?
I live in BC and have NEVER heard of this. I always call for an STATT to pickup and deliver. How would they know what post office it is going to be delivered to? Would they really spend the time looking up the address and guess at what time you are going to pick it up at?
So for all you guys that intend to get a STATT to take it from the post office to home, are you also going to abide by the legal transport requirements?
Are you going to open the parcel at the counter, do an ACTS/PROVE on the gun, install a trigger lock on it then lock it in your own case or box to get it home? Right there at the counter? Because by law, you're now transporting the gun, not mailing it. And the rules for transport are slightly different than those for mailing it.
I'm curious to see just how far people are willing to go to be completely "legal".
Are you going to open the parcel at the counter, do an ACTS/PROVE on the gun, install a trigger lock on it then lock it in your own case or box to get it home? Right there at the counter? Because by law, you're now transporting the gun, not mailing it. And the rules for transport are slightly different than those for mailing it.
I'm curious to see just how far people are willing to go to be completely "legal".
They don't, they issue it to MY address (since it's destination ISN'T the post office, or the delivery truck or the sorting office etc.), and as noted, it is good for 30 days - 24/7. Maybe I deal with sharper tools than you do? This (the dead, beaten, broken old issue that it is) doesn't bother me near as much as having Canada Post leave a 45 on my doorstep for half a day with no signature.
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Its mail until you open the package. I am also curious to what people do when they call for a STATT.
