Attention IDPA Members - Rules Addemdum

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beltfed said:
As an MD, and without the internet at my fingers on match day, I would put the onus on the competitor to supply me with info to say whether it met the requirements of the division.

1x 5" 460 w/comp S&W X Frame (comp is removable if needed) - Factory gun? weight? - The only model I see is a 8" and it blows weight of ESR. If it has been chopped then it needs to be 50 oz. skinny or the competitor is playing for no score

Super Blackhawk - Again is it factory? Weight? The only one I see blows weight of ESR, so if it has been chopped then make weight or prove it can be had from the factory in compliance with the rules or they are shooting for no score

It's called IDPA, not International Bear Defense Association ;)
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all guns are factory except for my 4.2" ruger superredhawk, the 5" 460 is factory.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: 163465
Type :Revolver
Action :Single / Double
Caliber :460 S&W MAG
Barrel Length :5"
Capacity :5 rd
Safety :No Manual Safety
Grips :Synthetic
Sights :Red Ramp (Front); Adjustable (Rear)
Weight :60.9 oz
Finish :Satin Stainless
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It's called IDPA, not International Bear Defense Association ;
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so now your making fun of people that actually carry thier gun for defense..... the texas governor used his ruger LCP in defense against coyotes... just because you don't see yourself defending against wildlife does not mean others don't.

SO as an experienced MD you would not know how to classify these guns if a competitor showed up with one on match day and you would require the competitor to bring proof his gun is legal.....

and you wonder why I want clarification ....
 
TIM_COX said:
the point of my last paragraph is that usually you respond how "uncompetitive" certain guns may be... competitive or not they are being used in life or death situations.



so all of the above guns can be classed as SSR then unless they have a 4.2" barrel OR use moonclips is that what you meant to say ??



and that is my point for getting clarification... how am I or another SO going to classify someone if we do not know what class thier gun fits in...
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I am beginning to think your problem is you just can't read. Go back and read my post and the rule book. Beltfed is indicating the 460 doesn't come in 5" so I assume the gun you quote isn't stock. If it isn't stock it doesn't play. All you have to do is read the rulebook for each division . Ask the shooter which division he want to play in and ensure the gun fits the division. It isn't rocket science. Your posts are closing in on trolling Tim. SSR division does not allow moonclips. The english in the rule book is quite clear.

To answer your last question it really is quite simple. You go to the rule book and read the two divisional requirements. If the guns are stock with barrels greater than 4.2" and 6" or less they fall to the Canadian exemption so weight is not an issue.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
I am beginning to think your problem is you just can't read. Go back and read my post and the rule book. Beltfed is indicating the 460 doesn't come in 5" so I assume the gun you quote isn't stock. If it isn't stock it doesn't play. All you have to do is read the rulebook for each division . Ask the shooter which division he want to play in and ensure the gun fits the division. It isn't rocket science.

Take Care

Bob
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what part of my post did you not read, all of the above guns are stock except for mine. and yes the compensator comes off so the comp. in the picture is a non issue.

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SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: 163465
Category: FIREARMS - HANDGUNS
Type :Revolver
Action :Single / Double
Caliber :460 S&W MAG
Barrel Length :5"
Capacity :5 rd
Safety :No Manual Safety
Grips :Synthetic
Sights :Red Ramp (Front); Adjustable (Rear)
Weight :60.9 oz
Finish :Satin Stainless


I just cannot understand why you are so against discussing this openly, Beltfed obviously does not understand the revolver ruling's any more then I do.... what IDPA needs to do is give us a briefing paper of some sort to better sort this out, your continued reluctence to discuss this OPENLY only prolongs the matter, this is not rocket science, we the masses just want some clarification so we know what to tell the members of our club, there is no need for secrecy or email or phone calls at all hours of the day and night.

just post something that is clear and concise and is to the point and is easily read with no room for "local" interpretations by a match MD.... it is either this class or that. not the MD fancy of the day.
 
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TIM_COX said:
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I just cannot understand why you are so against discussing this openly, Beltfed obviously does not understand the revolver ruling's any more then I do.... what IDPA needs to do is give us a briefing paper of some sort to better sort this out, your continued reluctence to discuss this OPENLY only prolongs the matter, this is not rocket science, we the masses just want some clarification so we know what to tell the members of our club, there is no need for secrecy or email or phone calls at all hours of the day and night.

just post something that is clear and concise and is to the point and is easily read with no room for "local" interpretations by a match MD.... it is either this class or that. not the MD fancy of the day.
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Beltfed answered your question the same way I did only added a comment as to where he thought the handgun would best fit. He is well aware of the revolver rules and the rule book. More importantly he also knows how to apply them; any other conclulsion is nonsense.

No, Tim as you have seen some guns can play in either division at the option of the shooter. It isn't always this class or that class and it isn't up to the MD's fancy of the day either.

There are direct channels of communication open to you as a Club contact I suggest you use them. If you choose this forum as your method of enquiry you may not get an answer.

Take Care

Bob
 
I think the rules are pretty simple, I do not get out as much as I would like to, but when I do, I shoot revolver and I can understand what is being said here, what did I miss?
 
TIM_COX said:
your saying asking for rules clarification is useless ?? our sport is goverened by rules set outby HQ in the USA.
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Yep, that is exactly what I am saying!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: And yes you are correct about HQ rules, but as you are also well aware of, IDPA Canada has made certain provisions for certain divisions to accomodate Canadian shooters who may normally not be bale to compete in those divisions here due to Government firearm restrictions and if I am not mistaken, one of those previsons was made specifically for you at your reqest to the AC of Canada? As for everything else that has been taken much further then it should have been in this thread, I think those questions as well have been answered, so how about we all move onto the next rant. Bob, if you so kindly would, please start the next thread, oh and if you do not mind, please make is something very very positive, we have not had enough postive thigns stomped on yet.
 
No. I have no intention of using this site as a clearing house for rules clarifications. I would ask members of IDPA to read the rule book first, consider the reasons why the rule is in place then if they have questions reuiring my input, do me the courtesy of contacting me directly. My contact information is on both HQ and the IDPA Canada website. I am more than willing to help where I can. I think most of our members and Club Contacts know this judging from the emails I get.

Take Care

Bob
 
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