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please read the following post #57 on the thread listed above, hopefully this will clear up the mass confusion on this issue. perhaps someone can copy that post over to this new thread, I felt it should be in a new area where people will see it as opposed to a thread that doesn't pertain directly.
 







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Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity

Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72

Background

The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.

The magazine regulations have been in force since 1993. However, in recent years, new cartridge magazines have been introduced which have resulted in novel situations as it concerns the application of the Regulations. There has been no change to the Regulations. Nonetheless, the application of the existing Regulations to a few new products has given the appearance of a change in the law. This has been particularly evident in the case of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for more than one type of firearm.

Purpose

The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.

Current Issues

1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.

Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
•the 10 round magazine is unregulated
•the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device

Example 2*: The Ruger BX-25 magazine, chambered for 22 LR calibre, is designed and manufactured for use in the Ruger SR22 rifle, the 10/22 family of rifles/carbines and the 22 Charger handgun. As a result, this magazine is a prohibited device unless modified so its capacity is 10 cartridges or less. (*This information was not included in the original version of this bulletin, but was added on 2013-09-05.)


2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
•magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.


3. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Remington model 7615 pump action rifle chambered for 223 Remington caliber:
•the 10 round magazine is prohibited
•the five round magazine is unregulated


4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.


5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.

For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program by one of the following methods:
telephone: 1 800-731-4000
web site: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm
e-mail: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca


read the purpose section beginning at.... Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.

also current issues...........Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity.


4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.


clearly the 25 rd magazine states directly on the back of the packaging.......original factory equipment for use with 715/tactical .22 model only
end of story


Thanks
 
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However people will say that the 715t mags were designed for the rifle not the 715p.
Guess we will see how this plays out along with the 10/22 mags.
 
However people will say that the 715t mags were designed for the rifle not the 715p.
Guess we will see how this plays out along with the 10/22 mags.

one of the problems with all this is "what people say" what I have printed above is factual, I suggest printing it out and carrying it with you, the scrutiny that revolves around this specific topic has really had no substance until now however has been right there all the time, I feel for people who have sent their mags in for 10 rd mags all for not, because Mossberg decided it was going to rewrite Canadian law, and mossbergs henchman ran with it. when issues like this arise we need to stand up for ourselves instead of getting steamrolled all the time.
 
No need to print this off and carry it with you.

RCMP have to prove your guilty.

Last time I checked this is Canada not USSR
 
It's always our money.

It's like the military spending $200,000 to get a $200 fine from the x- army guy in Nova Scotia
 
This is only confusing or a debate because people can't seem to understand plain English... it doesn't help when blogs are inundated with obtuse posts like LA above... who, after dozens of threads and dozens of debates that ended in clear statements... still can't get it right... ridiculous.

You don't have to carry this bulletin around with you, just like you don't need a copy of the CCC with you.
 
No need to print this off and carry it with you.

RCMP have to prove your guilty.

Last time I checked this is Canada not USSR

we shouldn't have to, you are right about that, however as trebor said if they charge you and you have to jack around with time and money because they got it wrong you are no further ahead, sad truth is sometimes with gun owners we are guilty until proven innocent, just a suggestion to carry it with you, I keep things such as this right on my phone now in case I have to prove something on the spot, I had an incident once where I was at the range with a dom arms backpacker, I was approached by one jacka$$ who told me I am breaking the law bringing that prohib sh!t here, another pecker jumped in as well to back him up, another fellow came to my rescue telling the wannabe police/lawyers what the deal is and brought up the can am site on his phone and clearly stating NON RESTRICTED FIREARM it took us awhile to get rid of these 2 morons, and wasted my time being on trial for squat. I wondered how would this have played out up north plinking in the woods? ever since I thought great idea load it on my phone, it takes up no room and unfortunately its always with me.
 
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