Auto-5 / Remington Model 11 question

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triggerman42

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Are the action springs interchangeable between the two guns? I am talking about the action / breach bolt spring that fits inside the tube , behind the receiver , inside the stock.
At Numrich the spring for the Remington cost $10 more than the Browning spring.
I'm in the process of ordering up a couple tune-up kits . (recoil springs , friction pieces + friction springs) I have one of each make.
Anybody know for sure?
 
Yeah , I thought they probably would. Too late now though . I ordered already , so just stuck with the proper springs and ordered one of each , along with the other parts. ( recoil springs , action springs , bronze friction pieces + friction springs , fiber buffer , buffer rivet.) Both these old guns are still running , and functioning properly , but I thought I would order tune up kits for them both. One gun is a 1938 model and the other one is a 1956 model . Sooner or later they will need the springs replaced so why not buy them now , while they'r still available. The price of the two "action springs " was $10 more for the Remington , so I was just trying to cut a price corner. Thanks for the replies !
 
I should probably do the same, they have been around for so long I think that parts will be available for ever, I better wake up.
Ordering spare parts is not easy, the only part that I heard breaks is the occasional forend stock.
Have you found mention of other parts to keep just in case?
BB
 
Those model 11's will need springs refreshed at about 10,000 rounds. A lot of new owners of these guns have fallen for the "spring update kits" etc being marketed by US firms. The key part of your recoil system on the 11 is proper setting and lubrication. The part that needs to be watched is the buffer. If it is in one piece do not change it. In theory if the gun is set up right the bolt NEVER contacts the buffer. I imagine that 98% of all Models 11 have no where near 10,000 rounds through them so the spring sets are like the chrome accessories Canadian Tire flogs for used cars. I use actual 30 weight motor oil on the recoil system 11-48 as per a 1950 manual. When set up and maintained these guns run for ever. Steady doses of 1 1/2 oz. short magnums will wreck a Model 11 eventually. With 1 1/8 oz. loads it will run a very long time. Just some observations from shooting recoil operated Remingtons for about 25 years. Wood replacement for these guns is expensive. For wood can be toughened up by bedding. I have seen every thing from fibreglass to acraglass to beer can aluminum glassed in. It all works a toughens the wood. On most 11's the two metal studs that link the fore wood to the receiver are missing. Mine were. I found proper diameter roll pins, cut them to length and epoxied them into the receiver recesses. This prevents fore wood wobble and twist which is a killer. IIRC Sportsman models do not use these pins.

Darryl
 
Well , one thing I know for sure is the recoil springs do compress with time. They are under constant pressure when the gun is assembled, and they do get shorter. A new spring for a standard 2 +3/4" gun or a " Light Twelve " measures 9.25 inches. The spring on my 1956 light twelve now measures 7 + 7/8 inches. The barrel seemed a bit too easy to push down when replacing the for stock , and it kicked harder than any of my other Auto 5s while using 1 + 1/8 once loads. The gun is 60 years old . I have no idea how many rounds has been fired through it. BUT I do know it had a weak spring. The Remington is 18 years older and it's spring measured up short as well.
Both guns worked. Had no ejection problems etc , but it was time in my opinion for new recoil springs. The other parts I bought mostly because of the $35 extra charge for international orders at Numrich . I may as well get them now, all at once.
The new springs for a Magnum model auto 5 measure 10.5 inches. These are original Browning parts , so if you measure what is on your gun , you can tell if you need one or not. The buffer will go in the parts drawer. The one that is on the model 11 looks ok for now.
I plan on keeping and shooting these for many more years to come. Call it piece of mind. the buffer was $5. LOL ,big deal.
If you think I fell for the "spring update kit" that's alright with me. Your entitled to your opinion .
I'm not new to auto 5's though. I've owned and shot them for 40 years. I know when a barrel is too easy push down , and my shoulder has a memory of its own about the felt recoil thing. All I asked was , if the action springs were interchangeable , I don't know how we got onto all this other stuff . LOL
 
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I said nothing about you falling for the spring update. I said a lot of guys have and the people marketing the parts have figured it out. If you want to rebuild the whole gun go ahead. I only voiced my POV from actual experience with no intent to insult or flame. With your extensive experience with Auto 5 models you must know that pushing the barrel down by hand has completely different dynamics then when a round is actually fired and recoil applied. I will mind my own business now and go shooting.

Darryl
 
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