B.C. resident hunting under attack

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Re: Draft 5 of the Allocation Policies and Procedures.


The Ministry of Land, Water and Air Protection is into draft 5 of an allocation plan for wildife that is aimed at diminishing resident access to wildlife in favour of guide outfitters and their foreign clients.

The present paper represents huge gains for the commercial side and very few positive measurables for residents. The commercial side has all the certainty and guarantees they were asking for while the resident is still in a state of flux.

It is privatization of a public resource, plain and simple.

Write, phone or email your MLA, email the Minister and the Premier, tell a hunting buddy to do the same and pass it on.

You think it is tough to get an LEH draw now?

Wait 'til this gets through!



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I heard about this, its the guides that are trying to get this passed so they can make more money, i have a copy i will scan and post it in a bit
 
June 14, 2006

Tom Ethier
Manager of Legislation and Regulations
Ministry of Environment
4th Floor, 2975 Jutland Road
PO Box 9363 Stn. Prov Govt
Victoria, British Columbia
V8W 9M2
Facsimile: 250-387-9568

Re: Draft 5 of the Allocation Policies and Procedures.

The BC Wildlife Federation (BCWF) will make one more attempt to illustrate the issues and concerns that our organization, representing the residents of this province, have with these policies and procedures. Our position has altered very little from our initial submission two years ago, yet through this lengthy review very little has been incorporated from our very reasonable requests and we have to wonder why, as it now appears that the non-residents are the ones with priority.

The present papers represent huge gains for the commercial side and very few positive measurables for residents. The commercial side has all the certainty and guarantees they were asking for while the resident is still in a state of flux.

Resident Hunter Priority Policy:
• Point (1): This statement is contradicted in the Harvest Allocation Procedure where it states the minimum share for residents will be 40%. A majority would be 55% or 60%. How does 40% represent the majority?
• Point (4) should be changed to read: considering resident opportunity first when removing unnecessary barriers to achievement of harvest prior to reducing allocation
• Minimum percentages should also be added here.
This definition has been expended from the old policy but these points need to be strongly supported in the other policies and procedures. Resident priority means priority access to the opportunity.

If these points were supported throughout the other policies and procedures, this policy would represent a small gain for the residents.

Administrative Guidelines Procedure:
• Administrative Guidelines were intended for small quotas and the BCWF cannot support this Procedure as is.
• To allow for a 30% additional harvest in a given year will quite simply mean that there will be very little, or in some cases, no resident harvest in that particular guide territory. How does this address resident priority or opportunity?
• For the guide outfitters Administrative Guidelines represent certainty and a guarantee to help achieve their harvest. Where is the equivalent on the resident side? We do not know our numbers and there are defiantly no guarantees in place.
• Guide Outfitters will use Administrative Guidelines to target years of good recruitment at the expense of resident hunters.
• Administrative Guidelines will also be used when a territory is about to be sold or has been recently purchased.
• How will conservation concerns be factored into the use of Administrative Guidelines?
A concern about under-harvest was mentioned at the last meeting, and therefore the need for Administrative Guidelines, yet many outfitters purposely do not fully utililize their quota. If under-harvest becomes an issue than the Under-Harvest of Allocated Share Policy should address their concern.

A second comment about substantial increases in LEH authorizations occur for residents was also made. In fact this happens very rarely and most often does not result in an increase in the harvest level.

This policy is a very significant gain for the Guide Outfitters.

Allocation of Previously Unopened Hunts Policy:
• A starting point of 75/25 does not reflect resident priority for a completely new hunt.
• 2% must be in place for all antlerless hunts and youth only seasons should exclude non-residents.
• How do antlerless hunts fit within the ‘quality’ criteria for guide outfitters?

This policy is a gain for the Guide Outfitters.

Harvest Allocation Policy:
• (a) How does 40% represent point (1) in the Resident Hunter Priority Policy?
• (b) At the end of this sentence, the statement “and only when barriers have been addressed” should be added.

If amended this policy is a gain for residents.

Harvest Allocation Procedure:
This procedure is the focal point of the whole review and therefore has the most impact on allocated percentages. As written it will not be supported by the BCWF.
• What were the criteria used to establish 75/25 as the starting point?
• The BCWF cannot support a starting point of 75/25 as this does not adequately reflect resident priority and represents significant gains in allocation for non-residents in most regions when compared to the status quo. For example, in region 4, 10 out 16 hunts are gains for non-residents and in region 3 it is all four hunts. Where the calculated percentages do represent gains for residents when compared to the status quo it is only because the status quo numbers were significantly favourable for non-residents in the first place.
• A starting point of 75/25 sets out minimum and maximum percentages for non-residents that do not reflect resident priority. Many jurisdictions have a set allocation percentage for non-residents and it does not vary.
• Point (4a): This point again conflicts with point (1) in the Resident Hunter Priority Policy. 40% is not a majority.
• Point (4d): The BCWF does not support this point. It was not intended that 20% could be used as a stand-alone minimum. This was to be used only if a maximum of 40% for non-residents was incorporated for Sheep, Goats and Grizzly Bears and if 30% - 10% was used for all other species.
• Was resident relative importance re-run considering 1/3 for sheep in region 7b, the impact of shared moose hunts, the fact that many hunters do not apply for moose after the year they receive an authorization because they know they are on reduced odds and actual status quo numbers for moose in region 4?
• Was an additional category added for residents due to existing restrictive regulations and significant regulation changes that occurred prior to five years ago?
• Splitting region 6 into north and south only benefits the guide outfitters.
• A comment was made that because of the starting point of 75/25, only three hunts fell below 15% for non-residents and this was good rational to raise the minimum percentage to 15% for non-residents. The BCWF will not support 15% as a minimum percentage but will support 10%.
• The BCWF advocated a maximum percentage of 40% for sheep, goats and Grizzly Bear and a maximum percentage of 30% for all other species except antlerless. Even with a 75/25 starting point, only four hunts (2 goat, 1 sheep and 1 grizzly) exceed 40%. In addition only 1 caribou hunt exceeds 30% so why are the BCWF’s reasonable maximum percentages not incorporated?

This procedure is a huge gain for the guide Outfitters.

Under-Harvest of Allocated Share Policy:
• Reviews and revisions of all restrictive regulations must be done jointly with the Resident Hunters Committee.
• How will intentional under-utilization by guide outfitters be addressed?
• What will facilitate reviews actually occurring?

This policy could be an equal gain for both residents and Guide Outfitters.

Commercial Hunting Interests Policy:
• (1) This point should include at the end the statement “except when permits to accompany have been issued.
• (4) This point should be removed.

This policy is a gain for the Guide Outfitters.

Definitions:
• Previously Unopened Hunt: Amend to “means a hunt for a category ‘A’ species that has never occurred before or has not been opened within the last 10 years in any part of a given region”.

Implementation Plan:
• 3. The wording should be stronger to ensure the new policy is fully implemented by in five years (2012) including the Kootenay region.

Quota Procedure:
• There is relatively no change from the old policy

This procedure is equal for residents and Guide Outfitters.

General Comments:

The BCWF cannot see how the majority of these existing policies and procedures reflect any significant gains for the residents of our province. In fact, many of the pre-existing problems and hurdles from the old policy have not been addressed from a resident perspective. Most importantly, there is no guarantee that regulations will be reviewed and amended. We still have to rely on the goodwill of the regions to even discuss and then perhaps entertain changing regulations. In addition, GOABC has stated they will resist regulation changes. What kind of a guarantee is this compared to what the guide outfitters have? The proposed new allocation percentages will in fact reduce resident opportunity and the BCWF cannot support this concept.

From the start of this project two years ago there seems to have been little regard or respect for resident issues and concerns and the BCWF therefore, cannot support these policies and procedures.

The BCWF would very much appreciate a response to this submission by June 24th so our organization can plan for the future. We would also like to suggest that a meeting with our committee before the end of June would be a valuable exercise and we sincerely hope it can be arranged

Yours in Conservation



Les Husband
On behalf of the BC Wildlife Federation Allocation Committee

CC Chris Trumpy, Deputy Minister 250-387-6003
Nancy Wilkin, Assistant Deputy Minister 250-387-9568
Al Martin 250-387-9568
 
I guided up untill 2 falls ago for moose and bear in northern BC along with 2 good buddies, then we read this when it was fist proposed, these outfitters want more hunters and more money no doubt, but they dont want to up the pay rate for guides or help cover costs to the guides , first lets define this clan for some who may not understand it , OUTFITTERS own the territories and the rights to hunt them, GUIDES are just employees of the outfitter under the assistant guide licence of BC a good ..well a average outfitter offers a guide about $150 a day for his services , dosnt sound bad to some guys....but when you get up at 3am and start babysitting imedietly and dont get to bed until 12am the next morning its not great pay, most guys do it for the fun or fill in work during break ups in the north (speeking about the north only)
I could go on and on with a dozen years of info on it, som outfitters are great honest hard working folks, alot are about as crooked as a snakes path and push the boundries of the law into grey areas that should be black in the regs , should we give these people more permits and hunters per year... probably not , I can say I know of several illegal activities first hand that have led to waste (meat/hides/etc) and even death of a guide , I also have seen toxic dups in fly in only areas of BC were they dump 3/4 empty drums of av gas and whatever breaks down they dont want to pay to fly it out again!

regardless the topic at hand is should we bow down yet again and take it from behind just because some foreigner owns a territory in BC and thinks we should all goto hell while he makes a living ( and yes several outfitters are not even from BC and some not even canadian citizens...the law only states they must have a BC resident as a acting outfitter, easily hired for the right price! ) anyhow , we have given in to first nations requests to hunt anything anytime anywere and look were that wound up, shortage of moose in several areas of the province and why because 1 or 2 bad apples abused there rights and shot 25 moose in 1 fall just because they could , remember I said 1 or 2 bad apples in no way am I cutting down all fisrt nation hunters.
IMHO we as the general public and sportsmen/women cannot aford another decrease in our rights , like someone else said and you think you have a tuff time getting a LEH tag now !
send letters, e-mail editors of news papers, do what you can to help, this is going to get ugly as some people claim they make a living at killing, and wont stand down without a fight , 5 letters so far, several street combats with local outfitters and I sent my 2005 guides licence back to victoria with a I QUIT marked on it because Ill be dammed if my freezer stays empty because some buttplug wannabe figures his pockets need another 10 grand in them
 
No doubt about it the hunters of B.C. gotta unite to fight this.

Phone the MLA's, write letters, organize goddamn demonstrations if you have to.
Otherwise it sounds like huge areas of public wilderness are being stolen!!
 
you realy know what the sad part about this is....its been going on for a while now behind closed doors , realy how does that make you feel as a sportsman/woman that this crap is going on behind your back and kept so quiet that we are almost a year behind right now ? its time to step up and say thats it we have had enough of the BS , hell I have gone from 3 months to hunt moose down to 6 freeking days in my lifetime, I have gone from hunting grizz every spring to betting on a lottery in hopes of 1 day seeing a draw.
the LEH system gives BC hunters that extra 2 weeks to hunt moose a year in my region and other than that its 6 days of wall to wall hunters hoping to fill a tag, think of how bad it will get if they take 40% of those LEH tags away ? general open season will become a gong show of such proportions that no one gets a dam thing , bad nuff that guys like Toddbartel and moosehunter have already been shoved in the corner with horse crap regs on antler restrictions for moose in region 7 what next you have to make sure his weener is bigger than yours before you pull the trigger?
if you live and hunt in BC , its time to make some noise and save our rights
 
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